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30-09-2021, 10:21 PM
#151
Re: Lets make the hard calls
I mentioned this before but we should have persevered with Sweet while Martin was out and I can see why Sweet may look at other options. For a team crying out for a ruckman we have one under our noses and who's to say any of the other left overs out there would be any better.
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The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...
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30-09-2021, 11:11 PM
#152
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Have a late growth spurt to get to 202cm and suddenly everyone is interested in you.
More seriously however, I hope for us that Young stays.
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30-09-2021, 11:43 PM
#153
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
soupman
Yes we got Bruce and Keath in but nothing was stopping us trying to get something else of at least "solid enough to call upon" quality.
Not sure how we were going to do that with no draft picks left.
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30-09-2021, 11:53 PM
#154
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Not sure how we were going to do that with no draft picks left.
What did we get for Tom Campbell?
If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.
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30-09-2021, 11:54 PM
#155
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
boydogs
What did we get for Tom Campbell?
Not much I think, but he was gone after 2017
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01-10-2021, 12:18 AM
#156
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
Hotdog60
I mentioned this before but we should have persevered with Sweet while Martin was out and I can see why Sweet may look at other options. For a team crying out for a ruckman we have one under our noses and who's to say any of the other left overs out there would be any better.
Last year against Melbourne the Dogs had 13 hitouts for the whole game.
Macrae and Dunkley contributed 1 each, Bruce 5 . English had 6 hitouts and 6 disposals, proving that he is not a ruckman. Gawn didnÂ’t play.
The next week English had 10 hitouts and a couple of weeks later he only managed 8 against Ryder. The concept of developing English into the number 1 ruckman was and is flawed.
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01-10-2021, 12:41 AM
#157
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
boydogs
What did we get for Tom Campbell?
In 2017 Campbell gave Goldstein a hiding, 49 hitouts to 25. I didnÂ’t get to that game but a friend who did said he was best on ground. The following week the Dogs played West Coast and he had 47 hitouts and 9 disposals (Stringer also had 9). West Coast had 32 hitouts. The next week He was dropped from the team. Roughead was then the first ruck.
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01-10-2021, 02:08 AM
#158
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
Danjul
In 2017 Campbell gave Goldstein a hiding, 49 hitouts to 25. I didnÂ’t get to that game but a friend who did said he was best on ground. The following week the Dogs played West Coast and he had 47 hitouts and 9 disposals (Stringer also had 9). West Coast had 32 hitouts. The next week He was dropped from the team. Roughead was then the first ruck.
Campbell was delisted then rookied by North, we got nothing for him
The market may have changed but if that calibre of player is free then surely we can grab a ruck better than anyone that took the field for us in 2021
Do we win the 2021 premiership if Tom Campbell plays instead of Tim English?
If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.
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01-10-2021, 09:48 AM
#159
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
boydogs
Campbell was delisted then rookied by North, we got nothing for him
The market may have changed but if that calibre of player is free then surely we can grab a ruck better than anyone that took the field for us in 2021
Do we win the 2021 premiership if Tom Campbell plays instead of Tim English?
No because Bevo wouldn't have played him. We'll go hard at a Ladhams / Lynch type that can cover ground.
My feeling on Ceglar is that it will be weird if get and play him. He's basically everything we've either moved out of the club, or have had since 2017.
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01-10-2021, 10:31 AM
#160
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
No because Bevo wouldn't have played him. We'll go hard at a Ladhams / Lynch type that can cover ground.
My feeling on Ceglar is that it will be weird if get and play him. He's basically everything we've either moved out of the club, or have had since 2017.
Port would want a bit for Ladhams and Lynch is a bit of gamble given he is inexperienced.
Is there much difference between Sweet and Ceglar other than experience?
If we can Young back on board he might have been a pretty good option in supporting English.
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01-10-2021, 12:43 PM
#161
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Port would want a bit for Ladhams and Lynch is a bit of gamble given he is inexperienced.
Is there much difference between Sweet and Ceglar other than experience?
If we can Young back on board he might have been a pretty good option in supporting English.
My feeling is that English simply can't be the number 1 ruck which I think has been mirrored at the club through the acquisition of Martin, and probably the feeling out of Lobbe when we had some interest there.
I'm not totally lost on English being our number 1 ruck but you'd think he needs to finish his apprenticeship and this would be the only reason why I'd be getting a Ceglar type.
Totally agree that we'd need to cough up overs for Ladhams which I think would be too much of a risk when you consider the net reward.
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01-10-2021, 12:50 PM
#162
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
My feeling is that English simply can't be the number 1 ruck which I think has been mirrored at the club through the acquisition of Martin, and probably the feeling out of Lobbe when we had some interest there.
I'm not totally lost on English being our number 1 ruck but you'd think he needs to finish his apprenticeship and this would be the only reason why I'd be getting a Ceglar type.
Totally agree that we'd need to cough up overs for Ladhams which I think would be too much of a risk when you consider the net reward.
The Lobbe almost debacle was a full 12 months before we even drafted English so that would have been some next level planning.
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01-10-2021, 01:22 PM
#163
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
The Lobbe almost debacle was a full 12 months before we even drafted English so that would have been some next level planning.
Really? Goodness time flies.
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01-10-2021, 01:35 PM
#164
Re: Lets make the hard calls
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Really? Goodness time flies.
Yup, tried to hand over pick 11 for Lobbe in 2015 which we ended up trading to Carlton for the Dunkley/Collins picks.
And people say Bevo doesn't rate rucks.
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01-10-2021, 02:01 PM
#165
Re: Lets make the hard calls
From my understanding pick 11 was what Port Adelaide demanded rather than what we were offering hence the trade was not completed. This keeps getting perpetuated incorrectly.
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