Bulldogs V Hawks - Round 8, 5/5/24 Marvel Stadium 4:00PM AEST

[Hotdog60]

Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately I had commitments all afternoon and could not watch the game.

I've been reading through this thread, trying to figure out what went wrong and how we lost to the third last team.

Would it be accurate to say that turnovers in our back half was the main reason, or were we just crap across the ground?

I saw a replay of the first hit on Libba. Why on earth was he allowed to return to the field after that?

Libba looks sounds and looks concussed even when he's not concussed maybe the Docs need a new diagnosis plan just for Libba.

[ledge]

Just watched Bevo and that last bit was pretty scary about are you all on the same page . Abrupt ? yes mate?
He is feeling it?s going to be a huge pile on and needs to turn it around pronto to keep his job.

[merantau]

I rarely look at replays but I've just had a forensic look at Hawthorn's 2nd goal kicked by Meek after a free kick for what I assume was a touch on his right shoulder as an out of position Bont was making a late effort to spoil. (Not his fault btw.)

The build up. After a good break away from defence and a pacy run and side step, Garcia hands off to Clarke who was unable to reach Naughton with a kick and instead hit SHJS (you know who I'm referring to) on the chest.

Hawthorn then chip it around for eight uncontested marks until it lands in the hands of Ward about 65 - 70mts out maybe 25 mts off centre.

Buku is on Meek who is calling for the ball. Bont is nearby. English is on his own 10-15 meters away. Ward kicks towards Meek. English immediately begins to move across to affect the contest. He is closer to the likely drop of the ball at this stage than Meek and has both arms almost horizontal as he intersects the line that Meek is coming from. In a trice Meek has brushed past him, seemingly with no body contact at all and Tim is behind him looking as if he is about to overbalance and fall backwards. Meanwhile Bont makes a desperate lunge and catches Meek tangentially across the right shoulder. Free kick, goal.

The obvious question. Why was Buku on Meek? Why, when there was ample time to set up, and the skipper was right there, was that allowed to happen?
Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan. It's about time players started putting their hands up. No coach ever kicked a goal. We had few good players and played dumb football. Hawthorn should have won by 4-5 goals.

[The bulldog tragician]

I rarely look at replays but I've just had a forensic look at Hawthorn's 2nd goal kicked by Meek after a free kick for what I assume was a touch on his right shoulder as an out of position Bont was making a late effort to spoil. (Not his fault btw.)

The build up. After a good break away from defence and a pacy run and side step, Garcia hands off to Clarke who was unable to reach Naughton with a kick and instead hit SHJS (you know who I'm referring to) on the chest.

Hawthorn then chip it around for eight uncontested marks until it lands in the hands of Ward about 65 - 70mts out maybe 25 mts off centre.

Buku is on Meek who is calling for the ball. Bont is nearby. English is on his own 10-15 meters away. Ward kicks towards Meek. English immediately begins to move across to affect the contest. He is closer to the likely drop of the ball at this stage than Meek and has both arms almost horizontal as he intersects the line that Meek is coming from. In a trice Meek has brushed past him, seemingly with no body contact at all and Tim is behind him looking as if he is about to overbalance and fall backwards. Meanwhile Bont makes a desperate lunge and catches Meek tangentially across the right shoulder. Free kick, goal.

The obvious question. Why was Buku on Meek? Why, when there was ample time to set up, and the skipper was right there, was that allowed to happen?
Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan. It's about time players started putting their hands up. No coach ever kicked a goal. We had few good players and played dumb football. Hawthorn should have won by 4-5 goals.

That happened several times. Kudos to you for looking at it again in detail.

The isolation of Buku was a big problem v Freo yet we allowed it to happen again with seemingly no counter strategy.

The “dumb footy” and fragility in close games seem to be talked about as if the mental side of footy is only on the players though. We look very confused in our game style, while techniques and mindset in close games can be instilled in the players surely. When Collingwood narrowly missed the GF in 2022 Craig Macrae told them not to be slumped on the ground like losers because that’s not what they are. And of course their record in close games is known to be trained for and practised again and again. (We beat Collingwood by 48 points in round 9 that year).

[Bullies]

That happened several times. Kudos to you for looking at it again in detail.

The isolation of Buku was a big problem v Freo yet we allowed it to happen again with seemingly no counter strategy.

The “dumb footy” and fragility in close games seem to be talked about as if the mental side of footy is only on the players though. We look very confused in our game style, while techniques and mindset in close games can be instilled in the players surely. When Collingwood narrowly missed the GF in 2022 Craig Macrae told them not to be slumped on the ground like losers because that’s not what they are. And of course their record in close games is known to be trained for and practised again and again. (We beat Collingwood by 48 points in round 9 that year).

Geelong did it to Buku as well as did Freo. They all play through whoever is on Buku. They know he lacks awareness and touch on his opponents.

[merantau]

I've just taken a look at Hawthorn's 3rd and 4th goal.
THIRD GOAL
Williams shoots for goal and hits the post. From the kick in Treloar is outmarked by Day. Treloar is too slow getting up so Day is able to run about 10 mts off him and drive the ball long to where it is marked by Moore about 52mts out. JJ was standing 5 mts in front of Moore. Had he been shoulder to shoulder with him he would have been able to contest.
When Moore kicks the ball to Dear we have FIVE PLAYERS FORWARD OF THE BALL. Dear, Dale and Durea are the only 3 players near the drop zone but Dale is about 7mt away from Dear and Duryea is 10 mts off him. Dear marks unopposed and Dale and Duryea stand pointing at each other.
FOURTH GOAL
This one is just a complete train wreck. From the bounce the English outpoints Meek and taps to Treloar. He gathers and handballs quickly to Macrae who handballs to English who then, under little pressure delivers a handball to Williams' feet, and immediately ends up on the ground himself, bundled over by Newcomb. Meanwhile Williams, who's done well to gather the errant handball cleanly, is under pressure because the handball was so poor. Newcomb corals him. Williams, instead of passing backwards to Jones who is on his own 20mts away calling for the ball, turns inwards but Newcomb presdures him into delivering a despairing handball to English who has regained his feet just in time to tackle Newcomb.who has gathered Williams' 'hand ball in hope' The ball spills free to McGinness who passes to Gunston on the boundary 52mts out.

Meanwhile Meek has run down to the goal line. From the time Gunston took the mark to the time he kicked the ball on the 50mt line, 22 seconds elapsed. When Gunson kicks English is standing 40mts out at a 45? angle with hands on hips watching him.
The ball comes in, We have Bont, Khamis and Duryea in the goal squre and JJ. Meek on the goal line outbodies Bont, taps it back infield to an unmarked Ward front and centre. He snaps and goals. Hawks in front.

We hear a lot about the great tank English has. It looked like he was running on empty at times during this game.
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JJ Duryea Dale Williams English and Treloar all played roles in us giving up those rwo goals.

[merantau]

I've just taken a look at Hawthorn's 3rd and 4th goal.
THIRD GOAL
Williams shoots for goal and hits the post. From the kick in Treloar is outmarked by Day. Treloar is too slow getting up so Day is able to run about 10 mts off him and drive the ball long to where it is marked by Moore about 52mts out. JJ was standing 5 mts in front of Moore. Had he been shoulder to shoulder with him he would have been able to contest.
When Moore kicks the ball to Dear we have FIVE PLAYERS FORWARD OF THE BALL. Dear, Dale and Durea are the only 3 players near the drop zone but Dale is about 7mt away from Dear and Duryea is 10 mts off him. Dear marks unopposed and Dale and Duryea stand pointing at each other.
FOURTH GOAL
This one is just a complete train wreck. From the bounce the English outpoints Meek and taps to Treloar. He gathers and handballs quickly to Macrae who handballs to English who then, under little pressure delivers a handball to Williams' feet, and immediately ends up on the ground himself, bundled over by Newcomb. Meanwhile Williams, who's done well to gather the errant handball cleanly, is under pressure because the handball was so poor. Newcomb corals him. Williams, instead of passing backwards to Jones who is on his own 20mts away calling for the ball, turns inwards but Newcomb presdures him into delivering a despairing handball to English who has regained his feet just in time to tackle Newcomb.who has gathered Williams' 'hand ball in hope' The ball spills free to McGinness who passes to Gunston on the boundary 52mts out.

Meanwhile Meek has run down to the goal line. From the time Gunston took the mark to the time he kicked the ball on the 50mt line, 22 seconds elapsed. When Gunson kicks English is standing 40mts out at a 45? angle with hands on hips watching him.
The ball comes in, We have Bont, Khamis and Duryea in the goal squre and JJ. Meek on the goal line outbodies Bont, taps it back infield to an unmarked Ward front and centre. He snaps and goals. Hawks in front.

We hear a lot about the great tank English has. It looked like he was running on empty at times during this game.
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JJ Duryea Dale Williams English and Treloar all played roles in us giving up those two goals.