Hawthorn

[Rocket Science]

Appears Scully lost the appetite to ride a rebuild.

As an aside, the McEvoy appointment has strong Richie Vandenberg as skipper vibes.

She's gonna be a long road back for the Hawkers and I can't wait to begin hearing about their president's opinions on it.

[EasternWest]

She's gonna be a long road back for the Hawkers and I can't wait to begin hearing about their president's opinions on it.

I don't ever want to hear anything from their president about anything, ever.

[Twodogs]

I don't ever want to hear anything from their president about anything, ever.

I've been having fun winding him up on Twitter. It's a hobby of mine.

[Axe Man]

Appears Scully lost the appetite to ride a rebuild.

As an aside, the McEvoy appointment has strong Richie Vandenberg as skipper vibes.

She's gonna be a long road back for the Hawkers and I can't wait to begin hearing about their president's opinions on it.

I heard a theory that McEvoy is just keeping the seat warm for Sicily to become captain in a year or 2. He must have really matured if he is suddenly captaincy material as he has generally come across as anything but on the field from what I have seen.

[Mofra]

Appears Scully lost the appetite to ride a rebuild.

As an aside, the McEvoy appointment has strong Richie Vandenberg as skipper vibes.

She's gonna be a long road back for the Hawkers and I can't wait to begin hearing about their president's opinions on it.

They've gone hard at trading in players at the expense of high-draft end talent. I'm not sure the mystique of Clarkson will be enough to lure players to the club anymore given they aren't challenging and don't seem like they will be for quite some time.

[mjp]

They've gone hard at trading in players at the expense of high-draft end talent. I'm not sure the mystique of Clarkson will be enough to lure players to the club anymore given they aren't challenging and don't seem like they will be for quite some time.

Can we go with the 'Mystique of luring players to the club?'.

Lost: Buddy.
Gained: Mitchell - massive cost that no-one else would pay, no success since.
Gained: O'Meara - see Mitchell
Gained: Scully - Salary cap dump, no success since
Gained: Gunston - transfer back from interstate...Fair enough
Gained: Dew - Fat, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Burgoyne - Chronic knees, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Lake - Club in transition, targeted recruiting...Good Get.
Gained: Frawley - Bottom feeding club in turmoil, good timing (and good get).

Who have I missed? It must be someone...Their success was based on finishing down the bottom and maximising their draft picks - some of that was through Richmond's stupidity...some was our own fixation on Gryphon. Franlin, Roughead + Lewis in one draft? Slam DUNK. Hodge over Ball and Judd? Slam DUNK. Mitchell via the VFL? Slam DUNK. Birchall? Smith? Rioli? All of the cornerstones of the 4-premierships - even going back to Crawford, Bateman et al in 2008 - were drafted by the club.

[Happy Days]

Can we go with the 'Mystique of luring players to the club?'.

Lost: Buddy.
Gained: Mitchell - massive cost that no-one else would pay, no success since.
Gained: O'Meara - see Mitchell
Gained: Scully - Salary cap dump, no success since
Gained: Gunston - transfer back from interstate...Fair enough
Gained: Dew - Fat, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Burgoyne - Chronic knees, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Lake - Club in transition, targeted recruiting...Good Get.
Gained: Frawley - Bottom feeding club in turmoil, good timing (and good get).

Who have I missed? It must be someone...Their success was based on finishing down the bottom and maximising their draft picks - some of that was through Richmond's stupidity...some was our own fixation on Gryphon. Franlin, Roughead + Lewis in one draft? Slam DUNK. Hodge over Ball and Judd? Slam DUNK. Mitchell via the VFL? Slam DUNK. Birchall? Smith? Rioli? All of the cornerstones of the 4-premierships - even going back to Crawford, Bateman et al in 2008 - were drafted by the club.

But what about Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne, who Hawthorn will have you believe were the only reason they won all those flags and that they were put into a position to trade for elite talent off the base of a sustained period of successful drafting was totally irrelevant.

[mjp]

But what about Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne, who Hawthorn will have you believe were the only reason they won all those flags and that they were put into a position to trade for elite talent off the base of a sustained period of successful drafting was totally irrelevant.

I missed Gibson - I had Burgoyne in there.

[Mofra]

Can we go with the 'Mystique of luring players to the club?'.

Lost: Buddy.
Gained: Mitchell - massive cost that no-one else would pay, no success since.
Gained: O'Meara - see Mitchell
Gained: Scully - Salary cap dump, no success since
Gained: Gunston - transfer back from interstate...Fair enough
Gained: Dew - Fat, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Burgoyne - Chronic knees, no-one else wanted him.
Gained: Lake - Club in transition, targeted recruiting...Good Get.
Gained: Frawley - Bottom feeding club in turmoil, good timing (and good get).

Who have I missed? It must be someone...Their success was based on finishing down the bottom and maximising their draft picks - some of that was through Richmond's stupidity...some was our own fixation on Gryphon. Franlin, Roughead + Lewis in one draft? Slam DUNK. Hodge over Ball and Judd? Slam DUNK. Mitchell via the VFL? Slam DUNK. Birchall? Smith? Rioli? All of the cornerstones of the 4-premierships - even going back to Crawford, Bateman et al in 2008 - were drafted by the club.

Going back 13 years (!) isn't a measure of the state of their current list, which hasn't seen much top-end draft talent in recent times.

I disagree on some of the 'lured' players - Tom Mitchell's performance for what they paid is solid or better, O'Meara they paid through the nose but every Victorian club would have asked the question.
Of the players not mentioned - Impey I liked (we lost out despite being Trengove's best mate!). Frost, Patton & Scrimshaw not so much. Michington as a DFA barely counts.

Let's not forget we went hard at Wingard only to lose out to Hawthorn as well.

In 2019 & 2020 they used first round picks (Day looks good, and DGB was just BOG in their intra-club by all accounts).
Then you have to go back to 2015 before you see another first round pick - Burton at pick 19 who has since left the club.

Edit: Then you have to go back to 2010 for their previous first round pick - Issac Smith at pick 19.

I agree their success was based on draft picks, a strategy they haven't followed in recent years as they went hard at the trade table. I do believe some of those players that have come to the club did sign, in part, due to Clarkson.