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05-11-2020, 09:45 PM
#1096
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Dancin' Douggy
Tippa AND 2 top 10 picks. On we trade for Stephenson. ( not treloar). One we take to next years draft. I would do
Id consider that for sure.
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05-11-2020, 09:52 PM
#1097
Re: Trade Dunkley
I’m a Naughton/Bont/Smith wanting to leave away from completely abandoning the AFEL. I won’t support a premier league like competition.
Essendon will NEVER overpay. We’re gonna have to keep Dunkley. If we cave for unders or near value then I’ll be absolutely fed up.
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05-11-2020, 09:55 PM
#1098
Re: Trade Dunkley
Why don't we simply not trade him.
We've got Stef Martin now you'll never have to ruck again Dunks please don't leave.
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05-11-2020, 10:03 PM
#1099
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Why don't we simply not trade him.
We've got Stef Martin now you'll never have to ruck again Dunks please don't leave.
reading the club statement I feel we might not let him go unless the perfect trade is reached
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05-11-2020, 10:09 PM
#1100
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Vred
reading the club statement I feel we might not let him go unless the perfect trade is reached
We will let him go, we always do. This club does not have the guts to play hardball, it just has no self respect when the muck hits the mistral.
The truth will set you free,
but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.
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05-11-2020, 10:11 PM
#1101
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I'm not going to bag Dunkley in the slightest and I get the angst of our supporters
The positives from my perspective are:
We know we have done the right thing here. We committed to the player with a long contract, recognised his potential and promoted him to the leadership group and even the VC role.
He's won a flag, played finals football and and is well respected and loved
The negatives are:
We have stuffed him around a bit and moved him away from the midfield but this can be resolved by the end of the trade period
A godfather offer from a rival club has pricked his ears and an 'all about the money' player manager hasn't helped our cause
Positives part two:
We hold the Aces and we would be very confident that his professionalism will overcome things if he is still with us next year. I can't see the players giving him any grief and Bevo will do what he can to bring him back into the fold
Pickering comments clearly put the acid test on Essendon to make compelling trade offers
If we fold, we are effectively putting an open for business sign on Naughton and Smith and we won't want to do that
Negatives part two:
Having to deal with Essendon and Dodoro
Option 1:
I want 2 x second round picks this year (at least 1,500 points) and a first round pick next year
Option 2:
I want a first round pick this year and next.
The pendulum shifts a bit more Essendon's way but we aren't out of the running here because we can use the Tom Papley model
Whats your strategy around the draft pics? I personally want a serious player to come in but seems unlikely to happen this year with such little notice. I understand the value of next year which may also enable us to make a serious play for someone but time is now at the Bulldogs, we cant afford to waste another year around the periphery.
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05-11-2020, 10:16 PM
#1102
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Vred
Disgusted. Completely and utterly disgusted.
Club better put Essendon over a barrel and turn this into A tier talent in the form of a ruck, forward and back man, if we turn this into *!*!*!*!ing draft picks and more kids I’ll be changing teams.
I’m predicting pick 7 which we will ontrade.
The minimum we should be getting is pick 7, their future 1st and Tippa.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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05-11-2020, 10:20 PM
#1103
Re: Trade Dunkley
This is legitimately a deal with the devil.
Peptide Satan: "Can we get them to sell their soul?"
"Will it be enough for their culture to implode?"
"Can we pinch JUH?"
"Will we get a discount if we book Dunks and JUH in at the same time to get their 'Mark of the Beast' (aka Fat Jake's tattoo).
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05-11-2020, 10:29 PM
#1104
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
kruder
Whats your strategy around the draft pics? I personally want a serious player to come in but seems unlikely to happen this year with such little notice. I understand the value of next year which may also enable us to make a serious play for someone but time is now at the Bulldogs, we cant afford to waste another year around the periphery.
You can still do that plus accumulate the points to cover Ugle-Hagan
Lets say Essendon get us 2 x 2nd round picks this year and a 1st rounder next year for Dunks
We could then go to to the likes of Collingwood for Treloar, Richmond for Higgins or even GWS for Caldwell or O'Halloran (although this is a longer shot) with our pick 14 and probably get something coming back to us this year. A senior player to cover the loss of Dunks, more points to cover JUH and an extra pick in the first round for next season
None of this overly appeals to me but I think it' highlights there are options
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05-11-2020, 11:03 PM
#1105
Re: Trade Dunkley
We're playing a very straight PR bat here but it already feels like posturing to make Dodo try harder, and more crucially, sooner.
The one bit of legit leverage the conniving turd has is - assuming we have now multiple marbles in play, be they Treloar, Stephenson or anyone else - how do we achieve certainty with other targets when we're not sure if and when Dodo makes an offer worth our time, and the nuisance stalling that ensues.
His trump card is basically I can and will f**k you around. Take my ambit claim now and get on with your life, or wait and hope I take things seriously enough with a real offer, if it's not too late. *insert troll grin*
If he's still yanking our chain inside the last couple of days I hope we draw an internal line, resolve to hold Dunkley and leave time to conclude other business.
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05-11-2020, 11:15 PM
#1106
Re: Trade Dunkley
The fact he wants to go to Essendon really irks me most of all. Its the biggest insult a player can lay at our feet as fans.
I think we should keep him and force him to hold his value by giving us two years of All Australian football in his preferred role. Win another flag and then go. Can then have the money and the honour of being the most unpopular dual premiership Bulldog in history.
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05-11-2020, 11:31 PM
#1107
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Sedat
He is 23yo, exceptionally talented, contracted for 2 years and on top of that a solid citizen and future leader. And he is not 'going home' a-la Tim Kelly (who was out of contract anyway). They don't grow on trees.
All these factors combined on a player wanting to depart the club is really a savage indictment on the direction of our club. There is no other conclusion to make.
I want to keep him because he hasn't reached his ceiling yet. I think we are under-selling his 2019 form as an inside beast mid.
I do understand why it kind of looks bad, but I probably couldn't be as vehement about it as you are. However, I think you're missing another significant conclusion that could be made and that's that he's moving for the money.
We extended him and gave him a bump last year and for all intents and purposes he was happy with it. So we've done the right thing, and now he wants more which is fair enough if that's what he wants.
What I guess I'm asking is what is the justification for this being a "savage indictment" on the club. Yes I understand you've listed his attributes as a player, but that's not really the same thing as a justification of such a strong stance. I'm genuinely not trying to be a smartarse with this either, I just don't get the why this is all pinned on the club.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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06-11-2020, 12:05 AM
#1108
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I do understand why it kind of looks bad, but I probably couldn't be as vehement about it as you are. However, I think you're missing another significant conclusion that could be made and that's that he's moving for the money.
We extended him and gave him a bump last year and for all intents and purposes he was happy with it. So we've done the right thing, and now he wants more which is fair enough if that's what he wants.
What I guess I'm asking is what is the justification for this being a "savage indictment" on the club. Yes I understand you've listed his attributes as a player, but that's not really the same thing as a justification of such a strong stance. I'm genuinely not trying to be a smartarse with this either, I just don't get the why this is all pinned on the club.
Of course money is a factor but he would know he is going to get a handsome contract at his current club that would be not far short of his Essendon offer, if at all.
To even consider leaving at his age with 2 years to go on his contract, not to mention being elevated to the leadership group - it says to the outside world that the club is not a harmonious place. The best clubs have core playing groups that all stick together and take collective pay cuts in the pursuit of team success. Dunkley is a central core play for us, and he wants to leave for the unsuccessful shithole near Melbourne Airport.
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06-11-2020, 12:08 AM
#1109
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
Sedat
Of course money is a factor but he would know he is going to get a handsome contract at his current club that would be not far short of his Essendon offer, if at all.
To even consider leaving at his age with 2 years to go on his contract, not to mention being elevated to the leadership group - it says to the outside world that the club is not a harmonious place. The best clubs have core playing groups that all stick together and take collective pay cuts in the pursuit of team success. Dunkley is a central core play for us, and he wants to leave for the unsuccessful shithole near Melbourne Airport.
I don't know what money he is on now, but it would most likely be around $400k, or even $500k? If he is being offered from what is reported around $700k, do you think we should match that? From his perspective, that is a huge increase.
It is very hard to turn down at age 23.
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06-11-2020, 12:16 AM
#1110
Re: Trade Dunkley
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I don't know what money he is on now, but it would most likely be around $400k, or even $500k? If he is being offered from what is reported around $700k, do you think we should match that? From his perspective, that is a huge increase.
It is very hard to turn down at age 23.
If he plays like he did in 2019 it is money well spent. Essendon know what he is capable of.
This has Lachie Neale written all over it.
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