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Re: Alex Keath
I thought people just did that sort of shit when selling a car. Just put thick oil in so it doesn't blow smoke when someone comes to look at it. Adelaide are a disgrace!
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
Brian Fantana.
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
Sedat
Looks like Keathy George has done himself a mischief. Off to the sick bay for Keathy.
That's as brutal a scene as has been shot.
For all it's comic book bravado Chopper had some well shot violence.
Now look what you've made me go and do
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
Bulldog Revolution
We want him - and I dont think he's a lemon
I'd be happy for our club to pay for his surgery, but Im not sure this plays well for the Crows - they encourage one of their players to keep playing with a leg fracture knowing they arent going to re-sign him and will be trading a player who will have no pre-season at their next club.
Im not sure this leads to Crows players and player managers trusting their medical advice.
Who’s paying for the surgery wouldn’t be the issue at hand. More the fact that he’s still a Crows contracted player until 31Oct and still under the Crows medical direction as to any surgical requirements until this time. I really doubt that it’s got anything thing to do with surgery costs. Worst case, insurance would cover most if not all of this. Our orthopaedic surgeons have previously and typically worked pro bono on surgical procedures anyway. It’s a tricky one, given our level of interest in Keath and his desire to leave. Our priority is to to get his leg sorted our way and before time, rather than having to hold out until after the trade is formalised.
Just part of the trade negotiations. In this case, we’re simply asking for a bit less to cover the costs of the roadworthy etc etc
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
Sedat
Looks like Keathy George has done himself a mischief. Off to the sick bay for Keathy.
Hahahahahaha lmao
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I don't understand how two medical teams say he needs surgery, yet another one says he doesn't.
Adelaide is a cluster*!*!*!*! so that would explain it
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Re: Alex Keath
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...9b698ece8918fd
Alex Keath’s move won’t be the biggest trade of 2019 — but it will be the most complex
Alex Keath wants to get to the Dogs. But it’s complicated.
Adelaide revised its mid-year contract offer for Alex Keath at the end of the season.
Whatever the Crows believed Keath was worth earlier on in the year, he no longer justified that figure at the completion of it.
Though there was still a two-year contract on the table — which could have seen the defender stay at West Lakes if he was desperate — the sheer size of it compared to a three-season deal from the Western Bulldogs (which includes a trigger for a fourth) made his decision to seek a trade relatively straightforward.
The Western Bulldogs were delighted to win his heart, but negotiations have not progressed as smoothly as Keath or either club would have liked.
This is primarily due to one reason, which is not abnormal at this time of the year: There is a stark discrepancy between the value the Dogs place on him compared to the Crows.
Adelaide, having elected to attack the draft and effectively hold a fire sale for many of its older brigade, wants maximum return for a player who was fourth in its best and fairest count after Round 13 and was best afield in a Round 8 Showdown victory.
“We rate Alex really highly and obviously he was looking for long-term security that the Bulldogs have been able to put on the table,” Crows list chief Justin Reid told Triple M on Tuesday.
But if the Crows rate him “really highly” and truly believe he’s worth an exchange for Pick 13 or one in the early 20s, why did they revise his financial terms so late in the piece?
Equally, if the Dogs are not willing to discuss Pick 13, why are they happy to offer him a deal until the end of 2023, assuming he meets his trigger for a fourth season? Only Lachie Hunter and Aaron Naughton are tied to Whitten Oval longer than Keath’s proposed tenure.
These are Reid’s and Bulldogs list boss Sam Power’s arguments in a nutshell.
And complicating Keath’s scenario are two factors. The first pits his age versus experience.
He will be 28 in January, which would normally allow clubs to assess a significant sample size of his talents before executing a trade. There may be a disagreement over the value of the player in the present, but runs on the board in the past would at least give club officials historical reference to fall back on.
Keath, having played for the Melbourne Stars and Victoria as a batting all-rounder until the late Phil Walsh convinced him to return to footy in 2016, has played just 30 senior games since debuting late in Adelaide’s Grand Final season of 2017. His value is as subjective as any player looking to move clubs in the trade period, including Jack Steven’s.
The second factor that makes Keath’s case more complex than your average trade deal concerns his durability.
Even though the left-footer played 18 senior matches in 2019, a stress-related injury late in the season eventually forced him to go under the knife and cancel a summer holiday.
The Crows decided to manage it rather than operate. And it was only when he underwent medicals at Whitten Oval and Moorabbin did it become apparent to those two clubs that an operation was required.
The prognosis has again shifted the goalposts in trade discussions. He will likely return to training around Christmas and steadily increase his workload ahead of a Round 1 debut for his new club.
But when and how he arrives at said new club remains to be seen.
According to list analysis used by club recruiters and list managers, the probability of drafting a player between selections 28 and 35 who goes on to play 100 or more games is 25 per cent.
By extension, if the Crows accepted Pick 32 for Keath, he would statistically be a one-in-four chance of completing his contract and getting close to the 100-match milestone. Obviously there are ample variables, but the general figures don’t lie.
For players selected between Picks 20 and 27, the likelihood of them reaching 100 games rises slightly to 30 per cent.
These are often highly-rated second-round draftees. Clubs haggle over the differences between selections 20 and 35 regularly. And even though there is an increased chance a player at Pick 20 will be more successful than one at Pick 35, it’s nowhere as significant as recruiters argue.
It’s unknown where the Crows threshold sits. If the Dogs — having told Keath he needed surgery — believe he’s worth no more than Pick 35 or even 45, how can the Crows convince them otherwise?
As reported by The Age on Tuesday, it appears unlikely St Kilda will be included in negotiations in the hope of a three-way trade that would include Josh Bruce moving to the Bulldogs.
This is where Reid and Power will make their money. The Crows don’t really want Keath. The Dogs absolutely want him. But between these two ambitions are a myriad of nuances that only calm heads and left-thinking football minds can work out.
Reid declared there was “a little bit of posturing” on Tuesday. But his following sentence revealed an underlying frustration with negotiations thus far.
“There is still a long way to go in regards to that negotiation.”
This one is going deep.
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Re: Alex Keath
We received pick 32 for Adams
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Re: Alex Keath
Pick 32 last year, and Pick 46 this year (before compo) this year for Adams.
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Re: Alex Keath
The surgery means little if the rest of him is cherry ripe IMO. He has shown he is a natural athlete.
Lessen the trade value and up the trigger for a 4th year and get it done Samuel!
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Re: Alex Keath
According to Justin Reid (ADELAIDE), he hasn't had any discussions with Power to date.
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bornadog
According to Justin Reid (ADELAIDE), he hasn't had any discussions with Power to date.
I think I'm going to start calling him 'Dodoro Jr.'
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bornadog
According to Justin Reid (ADELAIDE), he hasn't had any discussions with Power to date.
The Age reported Monday Adelaide already offered Keath and pick 23 for our pick 13, which we rejected.
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
I think I'm going to start calling him 'Dodoro Jr.'
Originally Posted by
Mofra
The Age reported Monday Adelaide already offered Keath and pick 23 for our pick 13, which we rejected.
Exactly. We've been constantly talking since we said, 'no surgery, no trade'. Dodoro Jr is full of shit.
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Exactly. We've been constantly talking since we said, 'no surgery, no trade'. Dodoro Jr is full of shit.
Is anyone really surprised that honesty is not a value that the Crows pride themselves on?
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Re: Alex Keath
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Pick 32 last year, and Pick 46 this year (before compo) this year for Adams.
Delete.
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