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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
boydogs
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I guess the point I'm making and one that Bulldog Joe made a little while back is that the Cats are pretty good at assessing players.
They have done very well when they recruit established players from other sides and their players that have done well at other clubs like Mumford were because they couldn't really hold them in the face of big money offers more than getting it wrong.
This is no knock on Hamling but no senior games in 3 seasons and the Cats not prepared to maintain him even allowing for their older list to me means that we need to take a longer term view him. He is probably someone for 2016 more than 2015.
We are fortunate enough to probably be able to offer him that sort of time frame.
I saw BJ's post and there is certainly some merit in it - although Geelong also seem to have quietly stockpiled a number of KPP over the past 5 years. It's true that they have an aging back line in Lonergan, Taylor and Rivers but getting Clark means that they can now play Taylor down back on a full time basis - no more need for Taylor to pinch hit as a second forward.
If we consider Hamling playing as a forward at Geelong there is obviously Hawkins and Clark and probably Vardy now in front of him but there is also Walker and Kersten too, who are bigger-bodied and ready to play senior football. Down back they have the experienced three mentioned above as well as Toohey, who they have big wraps on.
If we consider Hamling as a back (which I don't I see him more as a Cam McCarthy type roving forward although obviously MJP would obviously be able to comment on this) his number was probably up when they brought in Jack Kolodjashnij, who is a mobile back they rate. Rather than simply not being good enough I believe the de-listing of Hamling and to a lesser extent Brown was more a list management perspective to open spots than anything else. Geelong knows it needs to bring in a more diversified playing list especially after losing some of it's outsiders in Christensen and Varcoe. They have key talls in spades so Hamling was squeezed out as he is the most long-term project of all of them. I'm happy with the acquisition, if he can develop his core strength without losing mobility he may surprise as a roving CHF.
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
We have a huge hole at CHF. Maybe Hamlet can be trained up for the position in the twos this year?
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Re: Hamling a Dog
So does this mean if we want to use our first 5 picks we would need to delist someone else?
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
The Underdog
Its not a sneaky Sunday Morning signing because DFA period started on Saturday.
Happy with this pick up as he is still only 21, so plenty of upside for a big atheltic type.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
Jaytee
So does this mean if we want to use our first 5 picks we would need to delist someone else?
Yes, 2 delistings must now take place.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
Jaytee
So does this mean if we want to use our first 5 picks we would need to delist someone else?
In- T. Boyd, Biggs, Hamling, Z. Cordy, Jong, Redpath (6)
Out- Goodes, Gia, Williams, Howard, Young, Griffen, Jones, Cooney, Higgins (9)
We have picks 25. 26, 39, 45 and 46. So far we just have three spots left. Tutt, Fuller and Pearce all chances to be delisted.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
My understanding is Tutt still wants out, so there is one. If Pearce is out of contract he may be the unlucky one.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
I saw BJ's post and there is certainly some merit in it - although Geelong also seem to have quietly stockpiled a number of KPP over the past 5 years. It's true that they have an aging back line in Lonergan, Taylor and Rivers but getting Clark means that they can now play Taylor down back on a full time basis - no more need for Taylor to pinch hit as a second forward.
If we consider Hamling playing as a forward at Geelong there is obviously Hawkins and Clark and probably Vardy now in front of him but there is also Walker and Kersten too, who are bigger-bodied and ready to play senior football. Down back they have the experienced three mentioned above as well as Toohey, who they have big wraps on.
If we consider Hamling as a back (which I don't I see him more as a Cam McCarthy type roving forward although obviously MJP would obviously be able to comment on this) his number was probably up when they brought in Jack Kolodjashnij, who is a mobile back they rate. Rather than simply not being good enough I believe the de-listing of Hamling and to a lesser extent Brown was more a list management perspective to open spots than anything else. Geelong knows it needs to bring in a more diversified playing list especially after losing some of it's outsiders in Christensen and Varcoe. They have key talls in spades so Hamling was squeezed out as he is the most long-term project of all of them. I'm happy with the acquisition, if he can develop his core strength without losing mobility he may surprise as a roving CHF.
Great post. I see Hamling effectively taking Liam Jone's spot on the list albeit behind a bit in his physical development.
This is another bonus of having our own reserves team. We can monitor and oversee a players development better because he is right there all the time. We can now bring kids like Hamling to the club knowing we can give him a proper development path without another clubs objectives needing to be added to the agenda.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
azabob
My understanding is Tutt still wants out, so there is one. If Pearce is out of contract he may be the unlucky one.
Reading between the lines, Tutt being so cocksure about walking out, the Blues have told him they will use one of their late picks on him.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Its not a sneaky Sunday Morning signing because DFA period started on Saturday.
Happy with this pick up as he is still only 21, so plenty of upside for a big atheltic type.
Aware of that, but it was posted this morning which is an odd time to post it. I didn't get an exact time on the signing of the contract but I'll do more research and make sure I'm more literal with my language next time.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
Jaytee
So does this mean if we want to use our first 5 picks we would need to delist someone else?
Still no word on Tutt, is it possible we waiting and see if if someone we like is available around our last selection the draft and then will make a decision to delist someone?
If so it really was a waste trading for Jones away and could of just delisted him.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
If we consider Hamling as a back (which I don't I see him more as a Cam McCarthy type roving forward although obviously MJP would obviously be able to comment on this) his number was probably up when they brought in Jack Kolodjashnij, who is a mobile back they rate. Rather than simply not being good enough I believe the de-listing of Hamling and to a lesser extent Brown was more a list management perspective to open spots than anything else. Geelong knows it needs to bring in a more diversified playing list especially after losing some of it's outsiders in Christensen and Varcoe. They have key talls in spades so Hamling was squeezed out as he is the most long-term project of all of them. I'm happy with the acquisition, if he can develop his core strength without losing mobility he may surprise as a roving CHF.
Great post.
On the clubs website there is a reference that we are adding to our defensive stocks by getting Hamlin to the club. Given that he also played a lot of footy this year as a defender for the Cats VFL side I've assumed we see him primarily as a defender.
Perhaps we even see him as a player that can play forward and back.
I think Hamling is a good addition to the club and I see it is more as a long term move rather than someone who might be able to hold down a spot consistently next year.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
In- T. Boyd, Biggs, Hamling, Z. Cordy, Jong, Redpath (6)
Out- Goodes, Gia, Williams, Howard, Young, Griffen, Jones, Cooney, Higgins (9)
We have picks 25. 26, 39, 45 and 46. So far we just have three spots left. Tutt, Fuller and Pearce all chances to be delisted.
At least two of them, we need to use these 5 picks. Tutt and Pearce would be my two. Fuller had a non eventful year, but paying him out for no return next year seems less likely.
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Re: Hamling a Dog
Tutt seems a certainty to be gone, have both Fuller and Pearce been training ?
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