The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

[macca]

Re: The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

Great analysis BT. Here is brief observations:
Summary :

8 good players leaving, thats almost half of team on the park! The other argument is would they have found so many young kids in the draft? I guess further analysis may be needed with the draft picks.

7 fringe players leaving: this is good trading or list management

Good players left:
Shane Mumford: whether you like him or hate him, his a good ruckman. Called out of retirement twice and his just keeps on serving.
Played in 2019 GF, and now playing in Semi-Final in 2021.

Nick Malceski: could he have played on another year ?

Shane Biggs: 2016 premiership , brillian pickup for the doggies

Lewis Jetta (Callum Sinclair): 2018 GF, important year . Lost for sydney

Tom Mitchell : brownlow medalist , Lost for Sydney, deserves to be on good coin at Hawks

Toby Nankervis : Gun ruckman, Why they hell we did not pick him up in 2016??? (rhetorical question)
3 time premiership ruckman 2017,2019,2020. Was he perceived to be behind Sinclair???


Gary Rohan: flat track bully, I want to put him in the expendable bucket but his type of player who will kick a bag in burst of 5 mins

Aliir Aliir: gun , shake my head how we did not know he was available.

Players on decline or expendable:
Craig Bird: could not get enough games with essendon. I always thought he was relatively clean user with the ball, but did not seem to click at Essendon.

Zak Jones;: a few Injuries, on the decline
Dan Hannerbery: his knee injury in 2016 GF has not really recovered
Nic Newman: fringe player for carlton in 2021, in a crap team, heading towards being delisted.
Darcy Cameron: can't get enough games at struggling pies. Behind Grundy. Threatening to be a great Eker.
Andreajs Everitt (who looked good up there): got worst at carlton, could have been anything if he applied himself.
Jed Lamb: went to GWS then Carlton where he played 44 games and got delisted in 2018, in a crap team.

Overall, I think after the losing the second GF and losing players , I think thats where the Buddy deal has really hurt them. Once Buddy retires, their forward line will need to find more power forwards to replace him. Also losing the Sydney living away from rest of Australia allowance has not helped.

They lost by 1 point tonight against GWS and they threaten to overun them in the last 2 mins of 2021 First week of final. So Sydney are not that far off at the moment, and their list looks pretty healthy.

I still never understood that Tippett deal, it was massive money to pay for someone who was a temporary ruckman and just really tall and an ok mark. He did get them into a few GF, and allowed Goodes to be that roaming mobile forward who could play anywhere. Tippet deal really requires further analysis on his stats.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

I’d say it’s a success. Plenty of finals and 2 GFs over 8 years. You take that.

If the players they’ve lost, Aliir looks like the main one they will regret. Tom Mitchell too on paper, but he was surplus and despite having individual success hasn’t been a difference maker for an AFL side.

Have turned their list over well and probably would’ve won if the game went for another minute yesterday.

[soupman]

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Huge success.

He's the most marketable player the AFL has seen for ages, has justified his superstar status throughout his time at Sydney and the side has been genuinely great with him in it.

They have lost barely anybody they would've wanted to keep, and I'm not convinced many of those guys were forced out due to Buddy. Maybe Mitchell, and maybe Mumford, but the rest are all normal attrition imo.

With Buddy they have made two Grand Finals, which is a success, as I consider them 5050 shots. Their other finals series have been a bit underwhelming but I don't put that down to Buddy and not sure they are better without him and with Mitchell and somebody else.

[comrade]

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Yeah, ultimately a success given they’ve been contenders throughout his tenure. Him rolling his ankle early in the 2016 GF might be one of the great twists of fate.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Definitely a success, close to it being a masterstroke if they got another flag.

The fact they won 2 flags in recent memory prior to him coming softens the blow of not winning one with him.

[jeemak]

Re: The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

Huge success.

He's the most marketable player the AFL has seen for ages, has justified his superstar status throughout his time at Sydney and the side has been genuinely great with him in it.

They have lost barely anybody they would've wanted to keep, and I'm not convinced many of those guys were forced out due to Buddy. Maybe Mitchell, and maybe Mumford, but the rest are all normal attrition imo.

With Buddy they have made two Grand Finals, which is a success, as I consider them 5050 shots. Their other finals series have been a bit underwhelming but I don't put that down to Buddy and not sure they are better without him and with Mitchell and somebody else.

Good summary.

[GVGjr]

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I thought it was reckless at the time but it's been an outstanding success

[EasternWest]

Re: The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

Huge success.

He's the most marketable player the AFL has seen for ages, has justified his superstar status throughout his time at Sydney and the side has been genuinely great with him in it.

They have lost barely anybody they would've wanted to keep, and I'm not convinced many of those guys were forced out due to Buddy. Maybe Mitchell, and maybe Mumford, but the rest are all normal attrition imo.

With Buddy they have made two Grand Finals, which is a success, as I consider them 5050 shots. Their other finals series have been a bit underwhelming but I don't put that down to Buddy and not sure they are better without him and with Mitchell and somebody else.

Agree with every word of this.

Also responsible for the greatest grand Final moment ever.

[Twodogs]

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Agree with every word of this.

Also responsible for the greatest grand Final moment ever.

We were sitting at the end he was heading towards and I remember thinking "oh no, here we go" but then all of a sudden the ball is bouncing through for a goal for us at the other end.

[Twodogs]

Re: The Buddy Franklin Trade 4 Years On

Huge success.

He's the most marketable player the AFL has seen for ages, has justified his superstar status throughout his time at Sydney and the side has been genuinely great with him in it.

They have lost barely anybody they would've wanted to keep, and I'm not convinced many of those guys were forced out due to Buddy. Maybe Mitchell, and maybe Mumford, but the rest are all normal attrition imo.

With Buddy they have made two Grand Finals, which is a success, as I consider them 5050 shots. Their other finals series have been a bit underwhelming but I don't put that down to Buddy and not sure they are better without him and with Mitchell and somebody else.

Good post

[Twodogs]

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Buddy was a little pissed off with Clarkson and the constant demand he sign a new contract. Buddy was on holiday in Vegas and hadn't signed up at that stage, and Clarkson flew over demanded Buddy sign it. He knew then that was it. Rung his manager and said get me out of here.

Wow. That's a bit like weird stalker behaviour

[Topdog]

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Did they lose Aliir due to money or because they didnt really want him / use him?

[Happy Days]

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Aliir walked, don’t think they tried terribly hard to keep him either.

[Twodogs]

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Did they lose Aliir due to money or because they didnt really want him / use him?

He was in and out of the team a fair bit from 2017-2020 with injury wasn't he?

I really wanted us to make a play for him in the 2017 post season as a replacement for Hamling.

[bulldogtragic]

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Reading that the cause of the huge salary cap problem at the Swans is due to the back ended structure to the Buddy deal. $1.5M this after several big years and still a million or so next year. Signing up Parker who was wanting $700,000 means that they’re going to lose players to accommodate the back ended Buddy deal.