Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

[jeemak]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

The AFL created the situation by allowing teams like GWS and GC to pick up the majority of the cream of the crop. Its inevitable when you have so many young guns that other teams are going to make a play for them.

Don't be surprised if we lose some more good payers over the next few years.

On your first point, that's why we shouldn't feel at all sorry for them or worry about the rhetoric. It's purely inward focused messaging, nothing more and nothing less.

As to your second point, there's a very very good reason why we've been content to load up in recent drafts on players with similar talent levels and attributes with our mid-range picks (small to medium sized forwards, similar contested mids). We know a time will come when we will have to sacrifice some of them, and for the most part these will be the players on our list that may attract fairly reasonable coin elsewhere compared to what we're paying them when the time comes.

Make no mistake, the Bonti's, Macrae's, Libba's, Boyd's, Stringer's and Roughead's will be taken care of salary wise, and left relatively unexposed.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

Interesting story this morning that the AFL are chucking another couple of mil into them.
Looking forward to hearing there are to many teams in " Western Sydney"

[The Doctor]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

GWS have got half a dozen big name young players coming out of contract. These include Cameron, Treloar, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Shiel & Coniglio.

I hope we are going after Hoskin Elliot big time. He is precisely what we need in our midfield.

[kruder]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

GWS have got half a dozen big name young players coming out of contract. These include Cameron, Treloar, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Shiel & Coniglio.

I hope we are going after Hoskin Elliot big time. He is precisely what we need in our midfield.

Spot on love WHE. Would have to give up our first pick to get him but well worth it.

[KT31]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

GWS have got half a dozen big name young players coming out of contract. These include Cameron, Treloar, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Shiel & Coniglio.

I hope we are going after Hoskin Elliot big time. He is precisely what we need in our midfield.

Would love to land Elliot or Shiel, although Shiel grew up a Blues supporter and have heard they are very interested.

[The Doctor]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

Would love to land Elliot or Shiel, although Shiel grew up a Blues supporter and have heard they are very interested.

On SEN it was mentioned all the players I quoted have been approached and every Melbourne club has an iron in the fire. It will be very interesting to see what happens.

I think GWS went about it all wrong. While stockpiling all the best youngsters with the long term view that they will become a force together sounds good in theory it was never going to work. They should have invested in a few more experienced players and get a better balance. Now all the other AFL clubs are sitting nearby like vultures waiting to pick off what they can. The Tom Boyd trade has opened a pandora's box and each of these young guns will be eagerly anticipating what might be coming their way.

[azabob]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

Would love to land Elliot or Shiel, although Shiel grew up a Blues supporter and have heard they are very interested.

So did Boyd and the blues were also very interested in Boyd....

[Twodogs]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

I want Cameron. I'd love to have Cameron and Boyd in the same forward line.


And we'll have Cal Ward back too. He must want to play at a proper footy club again.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

I want Cameron. I'd love to have Cameron and Boyd in the same forward line.


And we'll have Cal Ward back too. He must want to play at a proper footy club again.

Cameron would be such a massive get. Massive. I guess if we have an average year in terms of win-loss, having a very PSD pick might make it a little easier to negotiate a better deal... Or plunder their list for nothing and keep our players and our high ND picks.

[Twodogs]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

Cameron would be such a massive get. Massive. I guess if we have an average year in terms of win-loss, having a very PSD pick might make it a little easier to negotiate a better deal... Or plunder their list for nothing and keep our players and our high ND picks.

The latter. *!*!*!*! 'em, they still owe us big time.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

On SEN it was mentioned all the players I quoted have been approached and every Melbourne club has an iron in the fire. It will be very interesting to see what happens.

I think GWS went about it all wrong. While stockpiling all the best youngsters with the long term view that they will become a force together sounds good in theory it was never going to work. They should have invested in a few more experienced players and get a better balance. Now all the other AFL clubs are sitting nearby like vultures waiting to pick off what they can. The Tom Boyd trade has opened a pandora's box and each of these young guns will be eagerly anticipating what might be coming their way.

There's no solid evidence that this hasn't been their plan all along: draft every good youngster and when the vultures come, let them go, but make sure you're receiving an experienced player in return, like an elite midfielder who happens to be the current captain, a good draft pick (say about pick 6) and some extra goodies thrown in (late pick swaps or a cool million to help with the salary cap).

They'd love all the kids to want to stay, but if I was GWS' list manager I'd embrace the reality internally, maximising the return on every single departee, whilst externally screaming to all and sundry that I want to keep them all. They can hardly say "We're happy to get players where they want to go" as that would diminish trade returns.

GWS could be a core part of every single key trade for the next 5 years.

[Twodogs]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

There's no solid evidence that this hasn't been their plan all along: draft every good youngster and when the vultures come, let them go, but make sure you're receiving an experienced player in return, like an elite midfielder who happens to be the current captain, a good draft pick (say about pick 6) and some extra goodies thrown in (late pick swaps or a cool million to help with the salary cap).

They'd love all the kids to want to stay, but if I was GWS' list manager I'd embrace the reality internally, maximising the return on every single departee, whilst externally screaming to all and sundry that I want to keep them all. They can hardly say "We're happy to get players where they want to go" as that would diminish trade returns.

GWS could be a core part of every single key trade for the next 5 years.

It would have been quicker to just swap their draft picks for experienced players in the first place though wouldn't it? It's kind of a convoluted way to go about it but then it's obviously worked for them ending up with Griff and #6 and the salary relief.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

It would have been quicker to just swap their draft picks for experienced players in the first place though wouldn't it? It's kind of a convoluted way to go about it but then it's obviously worked for them ending up with Griff and #6 and the salary relief.

I don't think so. I don't think we'd have offered them our captain, pick 6 and a million dollars for pick one. Although I do realise of course that our situation was very different with Griff wanting to go. But show clubs a youngster who looks every bit the goods, or has proven it in Cameron's case, and suddenly there's more on the table.

[Twodogs]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

I don't think so. I don't think we'd have offered them our captain, pick 6 and a million dollars for pick one. Although I do realise of course that our situation was very different with Griff wanting to go. But show clubs a youngster who looks every bit the goods, or has proven it in Cameron's case, and suddenly there's more on the table.

It's a good point, put them in the shop window for a couple of years because that exposed form is going to be far more than an abstract notion of how good some one might be at the trade table.

I never buy a brand new car for the same reason. Let somebody else own it for a year or 18 months first. Usually that's just long enough for them to get all the particular kinks in that car fixed.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Young Giants want to stick with the club: Cameron

Cameron signed with Giants till end of 2020.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-05/camerons-giant-contract