WB Game Day V Gold Coast Suns R8 2020

[Bornadog]

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Lipinski- 3 times he didn't bend over to pick up the ball which was disappointing. He is better than that and we need him to be. No room in our game plan for double grabs or letting the ball go through your legs.

I noticed in a few games, players are reluctant to bend over for the fear of being tackled and giving away a HTB. This was really evident yesterday when I watched the last quarter of Crows v Bombres.

[Rocket Science]

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I noticed in a few games, players are reluctant to bend over for the fear of being tackled and giving away a HTB. This was really evident yesterday when I watched the last quarter of Crows v Bombres.

Disincentivizing going for the pill.

Take a bow AFEL.

[Axe Man]

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I noticed in a few games, players are reluctant to bend over for the fear of being tackled and giving away a HTB. This was really evident yesterday when I watched the last quarter of Crows v Bombres.

Sorry BAD but aren't you a proponent of getting rid of prior opportunity? This is what it would look like. Goes against the very essence of the game - win the ball.

[GVGjr]

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Sorry BAD but aren't you a proponent of getting rid of prior opportunity? This is what it would look like. Goes against the very essence of the game - win the ball.

Full agree. I want to see our boys hunting the ball and it will be a shame if it gets coached and officiated out of the game

[Topdog]

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Sorry BAD but aren't you a proponent of getting rid of prior opportunity? This is what it would look like. Goes against the very essence of the game - win the ball.

Any reason that the player cant kick or tap the ball forward?

[GVGjr]

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Any reason that the player cant kick or tap the ball forward?

Of course not but do we want to see a lot of scrimmages like that?

[dog town]

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A couple of Lipinskis efforts were in relative space he just didn’t bend with any conviction to take it one grab.

[Axe Man]

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Any reason that the player cant kick or tap the ball forward?

There are times where that is a smart play but I don't ever want to see that as a default position because players are worried that by taking possession of the ball and being instantly tackled they may give away a free. Will look like a game of little league.

Do you seriously want to discourage players from getting the ball?

[Rocket Science]

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There are times where that is a smart play but I don't ever want to see that as a default position because players are worried that by taking possession of the ball and being instantly tackled they may give away a free. Will look like a game of little league.

Do you seriously want to discourage players from getting the ball?

Precisely, let's just reduce contested situations to players engaging in chains of volleyball spikes. We're edging closer to the mocking 'aerial ping pong' jibes of yore.

The game's long celebrated blokes who were prepared to put their head over it, burrow to the bottom of a pack and extract to advantage from the mess with vision and guts.

Imagine Scott West or Libba the Elder approaching a loose ball with a bloke on their clacker and being forced to think shit, whatever I do I'd better not grab it.

[Grantysghost]

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Wasn't the prior opportunity rule brought in during the mid 90s though? We need a rules historian.
I am not sure it's the answer (to remove) but I think players will still attack the footy and try and possess it and back themselves to effectively dispose before being tackled. There is nothing worse than a chain of tackles with the ball just being constantly knocked out and held in.

[Bornadog]

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Sorry BAD but aren't you a proponent of getting rid of prior opportunity? This is what it would look like. Goes against the very essence of the game - win the ball.

Any reason that the player cant kick or tap the ball forward?

There are times where that is a smart play but I don't ever want to see that as a default position because players are worried that by taking possession of the ball and being instantly tackled they may give away a free. Will look like a game of little league.

Do you seriously want to discourage players from getting the ball?

Whenever a rule is changed or introduced there are consequences that the AFL never think about or think through before making a rule change. What has happened in the past few years (or longer) is when players are going for the ball, and they are about to be tackled, instead of trying to get rid of the ball, they hold it into their chest as hard as possible in order to force a stoppage. Some teams, like us, are good at stoppages, so it is an advantage, however, it creates congestion as all the players converge on the stoppage.

In the past you had players like Diesel Williams, Terry Wallace, who were in and under players and went for the ball even though there wasn't a prior opportunity rule. No one wants to discourage players attacking the ball, but if you are about to be tackled, then punch the ball, paddle it along.

I think some players are now totally confused because the interpretation has changed mid season and players are not sure what to do.

Another major stuff up by the AFL who really make things up as they go along.

Wasn't the prior opportunity rule brought in during the mid 90s though? We need a rules historian.
I am not sure it's the answer (to remove) but I think players will still attack the footy and try and possess it and back themselves to effectively dispose before being tackled. There is nothing worse than a chain of tackles with the ball just being constantly knocked out and held in.

Yes it was in the mid 90s

[Topdog]

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Of course not but do we want to see a lot of scrimmages like that?

The situation you are describing is what we see at the moment in my honest opinion and its because of the current rules.

Players are confident that they can win a ball up so they just grab the ball and wait to be tackled.

There are times where that is a smart play but I don't ever want to see that as a default position because players are worried that by taking possession of the ball and being instantly tackled they may give away a free. Will look like a game of little league.

Do you seriously want to discourage players from getting the ball?

Prior opportunity is a relatively new rule, players have never been discouraged from getting the ball. They can pick it up and handball quickly, they can tap it along the ground, they can kick it further. They still have loads of options.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Of course not but do we want to see a lot of scrimmages like that?

The previous prior opportunity just created scrimmages.

I want the game to be moving not scrums and ball ups.

Get the thing out and move.

So the sequence should be

Attack the ball
Be aware of what is around
Dispose of it at first option (can be tap on) unless clear space.
If tackled
Is tackle legal - So many In The Back and High are not being called
If tackle is legal - did the player with the ball have any opportunity before tackle or is the ball free of the tackle onus to move the ball on.

If tackle instantaneous (or near to) before any opportunity AND held in Then and only Then is it a ball up.

[Axe Man]

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I can't remember any major change to the holding the ball rule in my footy playing/watching lifetime.

According to this the prior opportunity rule essentially was introduced in 1986, albeit under a different name.

The next and last major change to the holding the ball rule was the introduction of the 'prior opportunity' rule. The rule was initially introduced in 1986 and known as the "perfect tackle rule": tackling a player who had an opportunity to dispose of the ball before being tackled was defined as a perfect tackle, and the provision for a perfectly tackled player to have a reasonable time to dispose of the ball before being penalised was eliminated. The rule was introduced to speed up the game. This later became the modern 'prior opportunity' rule in 1996, and it was the first time that different holding the ball interpretations had been applied on the basis of what had taken place before the tackle was laid.

I certainly don't recall any major change to the rule in the mid 90s, and am not old enough to remember the impact of the rule change in 86.

[GVGjr]

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The previous prior opportunity just created scrimmages.

I want the game to be moving not scrums and ball ups.

Get the thing out and move.

So the sequence should be

Attack the ball
Be aware of what is around
Dispose of it at first option (can be tap on) unless clear space.
If tackled
Is tackle legal - So many In The Back and High are not being called
If tackle is legal - did the player with the ball have any opportunity before tackle or is the ball free of the tackle onus to move the ball on.

If tackle instantaneous (or near to) before any opportunity AND held in Then and only Then is it a ball up.

Does either option achieve utopia?

I don't like players hanging around waiting for someone else to go and get the ball so they can tackle them and try and milk a free kick. We should be rewarding the people who are hunting the ball. That should be the whole principle of the game