Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

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  • AshMac
    WOOF Member
    • Aug 2018
    • 1712

    #46
    Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

    Not sure if this has been shared - Adelaides behind the scenes war room on draft prep. Interesting commentary on the decision to select Jamarra:

    The dam wall has busted!

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    • Grantysghost
      Bouncing Strong
      • Apr 2010
      • 19357

      #47
      Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

      Originally posted by AshMac
      Not sure if this has been shared - Adelaides behind the scenes war room on draft prep. Interesting commentary on the decision to select Jamarra:

      https://twitter.com/Adelaide_FC/stat...701522945?s=08
      Cut.

      OK guys the spin is done let's talk reality

      Bryce Gibbs.. How do we get him back in....

      I accidentally read the comments.
      BT COME BACK!​

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      • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 8998

        #48
        Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

        Originally posted by AshMac
        Not sure if this has been shared - Adelaides behind the scenes war room on draft prep. Interesting commentary on the decision to select Jamarra:

        https://twitter.com/Adelaide_FC/stat...701522945?s=08
        And this is what annoys me, the decision to bid on JUH wasn't about nabbing him, but tactically screwing us and our remaining picks. The intent of introducing bidding was to ensure clubs didnt just get top flight talent tied to them through F/S or NGA for peanuts, not to
        use as a tactic to increase your club's leverage later in the draft.
        They said in the meeting they rated Thilthorpe as number 1. Good, pick him at 1 then. To do otherwise is manifestly tampering.
        Anyway, stuff them. I hope JUH posterises their defenders for years to come.

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 19357

          #49
          Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

          Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
          And this is what annoys me, the decision to bid on JUH wasn't about nabbing him, but tactically screwing us and our remaining picks. The intent of introducing bidding was to ensure clubs didnt just get top flight talent tied to them through F/S or NGA for peanuts, not to
          use as a tactic to increase your club's leverage later in the draft.
          They said in the meeting they rated Thilthorpe as number 1. Good, pick him at 1 then. To do otherwise is manifestly tampering.
          Anyway, stuff them. I hope JUH posterises their defenders for years to come.
          I just saw it as cleverly edited spin for their fans tbh.
          Did we ever intend to get Rowe? I don't recall his name being mentioned but I've got a bad memory.

          It's certainly competitive behaviour.

          They're going so insular it could back fire. A team of South Australians exclusively.
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • comrade
            Hall of Fame
            • Jun 2008
            • 18103

            #50
            Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

            Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
            And this is what annoys me, the decision to bid on JUH wasn't about nabbing him, but tactically screwing us and our remaining picks. The intent of introducing bidding was to ensure clubs didnt just get top flight talent tied to them through F/S or NGA for peanuts, not to
            use as a tactic to increase your club's leverage later in the draft.
            They said in the meeting they rated Thilthorpe as number 1. Good, pick him at 1 then. To do otherwise is manifestly tampering.
            Anyway, stuff them. I hope JUH posterises their defenders for years to come.
            We got access to the best talent in the land and used picks in the 30s and 40s to get him. It's an absolute rort that we thankfully benefited from. I don't begrudge any side from tactically bidding to increase their own position throughout the draft order.
            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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            • soupman
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2007
              • 5158

              #51
              Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

              Yeah heaps of clubs can rightfully get annoyed about the NGA system but literally none of the clubs that received a player through it have been hard done by at all.

              Good on Adelaide for keeping us accountable. We still made out like bandits.
              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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              • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 8998

                #52
                Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                Originally posted by soupaman
                Yeah heaps of clubs can rightfully get annoyed about the NGA system but literally none of the clubs that received a player through it have been hard done by at all.

                Good on Adelaide for keeping us accountable. We still made out like bandits.
                I was confident Adelaide would do this weeks ago, when it was clear they were going to finish last. I'm not bemoaning we were ripped off either. I'm just highlighting an unintended consequence of the bidding process between its intent and its application. Their bid wasn't about making us accountable, it was about leveraging the outcome of a bid they knew we would match, for a result that had nothing to do with their desire to take JUH at pick 1.
                Yep good on them, smart tactical move, but again like most AFL rules they end up having outcomes that don't match the intent.

                Good on our recruiting team in making sure we had enough draft capital to secure him taking into account a potential pick 1 bid.

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                • Axe Man
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 11486

                  #53
                  Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                  Originally posted by Grantysghost
                  I just saw it as cleverly edited spin for their fans tbh.
                  Did we ever intend to get Rowe? I don't recall his name being mentioned but I've got a bad memory.

                  It's certainly competitive behaviour.

                  They're going so insular it could back fire. A team of South Australians exclusively.
                  We were linked to Rowe in at least 1 phantom draft.

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                  • comrade
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 18103

                    #54
                    Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                    Even with a bid at pick 2 or 3, it would have brought us up to a pick in the mid-late 40s. Rowe was picked at 38.

                    Impossible to know who or what we would have done later in the draft, so this is also probably some cope from Adelaide to justify to their fans why they bid.
                    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19357

                      #55
                      Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                      Originally posted by Axe Man
                      We were linked to Rowe in at least 1 phantom draft.
                      Right. So the plan might have been to bundle up some picks and move up to a spot before the Crows if true. It's a fascinating process the current draft. I quite enjoy all the machinations.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • Axe Man
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 11486

                        #56
                        Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                        Originally posted by comrade
                        Even with a bid at pick 2 or 3, it would have brought us up to a pick in the mid-late 40s. Rowe was picked at 38.

                        Impossible to know who or what we would have done later in the draft, so this is also probably some cope from Adelaide to justify to their fans why they bid.
                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                        Right. So the plan might have been to bundle up some picks and move up to a spot before the Crows if true. It's a fascinating process the current draft. I quite enjoy all the machinations.
                        As Granty says the Crows mention in the video that we may have been able to bundle a couple of picks to jump ahead of them and grab Rowe. So many mind games and trying to predict what other teams may do. Must be a stressful process.

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                        • comrade
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 18103

                          #57
                          Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                          I'm rapt they did bid at 1. Front page of the HUN, on all the primetime radio shows, TV interviews. Our sponsors are front and centre. Our commercial staff will be loving it.
                          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                          • Bulldog4life
                            WOOF Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 9607

                            #58
                            Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                            Originally posted by The Underdog
                            Takes the pressure & focus off Thilthorpe (and the decision to draft him)
                            Will he will always remembered as the one who wasn't the first choice of the Cows.

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                            • Bulldog4life
                              WOOF Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 9607

                              #59
                              Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                              Originally posted by ratsmac
                              Thank you crows for confirming that you didn't get the best player available in the draft!! Smart marketing? We positioned ourselves well for this and boom we have the lime light.

                              Welcome JUH, so happy to have you onboard!!
                              Yes. Was worth the extra points we had to pay.

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                              • Bulldog4life
                                WOOF Member
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 9607

                                #60
                                Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs

                                Originally posted by WBFC4FFC
                                Replacing Mercedes Benz as a Sponsor would help too.
                                Might be Peter's last hoorah.

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