Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

[comrade]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

See post above. If not heart, then what is it? Between the ears?

We used to win some of these pressure games, now we don't. Simple fact.

I can also recall that game v North when their vice captain returned after his head was almost sliced off. Absolute pressure to the end, with that clearance from the centre to Croft and Carey.

We used to win our fair share of these games, but now we don't.

Why?

Most of the blokes playing in those games have been key players in our last 3 tilts. So, they had heart then, but they don't now?

The fact is, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GOOD ENOUGH for the past 3 years. In the 3 prelims we went in as underdogs because the opposition were better than us. Bookies love punters who bet on the underdog because statistically they just don't win that often.

The fact you had to pick out a mere 3 or 4 games from the past decade to demonstrate some intangible concept called HEART is proof that it's bollocks.

What about the comeback win against Sydney in last year's semi? What about our against the odds win against Adelaide in the wet?

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

See post above. If not heart, then what is it? Between the ears?

If you have read any of my numerous post game posts you would know I think it's the part in bold.

I think mental fragility and 'heart' are very different things. As bloody annoying as it is, I guess I find mental fragility less intolerable than lacking heart. Our guys work hard and are desperate to win, they just mentally implode when the oh so huge win is ours for the taking.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

If you have read any of my numerous post game posts you would know I think it's the part in bold.

I think mental fragility and 'heart' are very different things. As bloody annoying as it is, I guess I find mental fragility less intolerable than lacking heart. Our guys work hard and are desperate to win, they just mentally implode when the oh so huge win is ours for the taking.

I suppose I reckon when the heat's on, there's not not much difference between "heart" and "mentally tough/weak", so maybe we're on the same page.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

It took a lot of heart to come back from 20 points down.

Sherman was great as was Hudson, Picken and Ward.

Stack played pretty well, lots of spoils and some accurate disposal but then may have lost us the game.

It was better than the Essendon game but I am filthy that we couldn't hang on with a few minutes to go. We should be able to make it impossible to get out of our forward fifty.

Ugly game for 3 qtrs.

[lemmon]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

Higgins is probably the most frustrating player I've seen, for god sake how can you put up that filth for three quarters only to show that undeniable talent in the last. Would make him the sub for next week as a pure and simple kick up the arse

[Dry Rot]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

Most of the blokes playing in those games have been key players in our last 3 tilts. So, they had heart then, but they don't now?

The fact is, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GOOD ENOUGH for the past 3 years. In the 3 prelims we went in as underdogs because the opposition were better than us. Bookies love punters who bet on the underdog because statistically they just don't win that often.

The fact you had to pick out a mere 3 or 4 games from the past decade to demonstrate some intangible concept called HEART is proof that it's bollocks.

What about the comeback win against Sydney in last year's semi? What about our against the odds win against Adelaide in the wet?

There were other games too. I wouldn't compare the Swans and Crows games you cite in the same breath as the games I mentioned, and both were below us.

BTW, don't just look at the PFs, we were not giant killers in the season proper for 2008-2010 either. We were flat track bullies, with very few heroic wins.

[KT31]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

The problem is they don't work harder enough to get the pill often enough. Cooney 22 touches, Griffen 23 touches. Boyd doesn't have their talent but has a heart the size of Phar Lap.

Boyd tonight.

45 touches.
24 contested possessions.
12 clearances.
7 tackles.

A captains game.

This by a dozen.

[comrade]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

There were other games too. I wouldn't compare the Swans and Crows games you cite in the same breath as the games I mentioned, and both were below us.

The reason you highlight those wins is because they're so rare. We've been in the top echelon of the competition so we haven't gone in as underdogs very often.

As I said, most underdogs lose because the other team is better. This is what has happened to us the last 3 years. Nothing to do with heart.

BTW, don't just look at the PFs, we were not giant killers in the season proper for 2008-2010 either. We were flat track bullies, with very few heroic wins.

What are you talking about? We beat the eventual premiers in 2007, 2008 and 2009 during the H&A season.

[KT31]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

Would someone like to answer this question for an interstate poster.
Where was Lake last 1/2 last quarter.
Injury or just not fit ?

[SonofScray]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

I half agree with DR in the sense that we have had very few 'heroic' wins, last season as an example I don't recall really being lifted by a result or walking away knowing that I'd seen a real match winning, game breaking individual effort, or a memorable result. It was all very ho hum and clinical.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

What are you talking about? We beat the eventual premiers in 2007, 2008 and 2009 during the H&A season.

In the context of my earlier post, I trust you are taking the piss.

[SonofScray]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

Would someone like to answere this question for an interstate poster.
Where was Lake last 1/2 last quarter.
Injury or just not fit ?

Have heard from other posters that he limped off late. Can't find anything to confirm that though. He was up forward with about 8 minutes to go, thats the last I saw of him.

[KT31]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

Have heard from other posters that he limped off late. Can't find anything to confirm that though. He was up forward with about 8 minutes to go, thats the last I saw of him.

Hope it is not serious and just poor coaching decision.

[bresker]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

I don't think coming from 20 points down was anything to write home about, because they should never have been 20 points ahead in the first place.

In most of the 3rd quarter we smashed them & forced them right back. Yet we couldn't buy a goal.

Our forward structure is poor. Nevermind B. Lake up there late in the game. Murph would have been better, earlier on.

We are a great team but if we can't get the scores on the board we look like bloody fools.

[KT31]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle

I don't think coming from 20 points down was anything to write home about, because they should never have been 20 points ahead in the first place.

In most of the 3rd quarter we smashed them & forced them right back. Yet we couldn't buy a goal.

Our forward structure is poor. Nevermind B. Lake up there late in the game. Murph would have been better, earlier on.

We are a great team but if we can't get the scores on the board we look like bloody fools.

Not sure if this was a coaching disision or Eades.
Whoever it was it was a monumental @#$% up.