Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

[Missing Dog]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Because he was no good in this role in the Willi 2's.

He's not much better at full back.

[LongWait]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

For Williamstown. Not so great for the Bulldogs at the moment (would love to be proven wrong)

And that is exactly the point - the club rated DJ and were prepared to sign him for two years. When they got three years for the price of two they had little to lose and a lot to gain if DJ establishes himself and plays mostly in the seniors in the next two years.

[LongWait]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Yep and I admitted that mistake about 10 min after the first post, it doesn't excuse the fact that he shouldn't have been elevated.

LOL which other club was chomping at the bit to sign DJ. Bloody excellent contract signing would indicate that we beat several others for the mans signature. We did not, Geelong were more than happy to let him go but we went out of our way to throw away a draft pick for him. Lunacy, not brilliant.

I didn't ever say other clubs were chomping at the bit to sign DJ. Don't put words in my mouth and then ridicule me for them!

Whether DJ will make it with us or not is yet to be seen, however it is incorrect in my opinion to criticise the club for signing him for three years on the cheap. He might end up being a long-shot that doesn't come off (as is the case with many or even most trades) however we are not paying DJ big money at all. DJ was competing at Geelong with heaps of more talented players who play the same roles/positions as him.

If DJ ends up being in our best 20 to 25 players would you say the signing is a disaster?

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Giving Hooper a two-year contract was a big mistake. It should have been obvious to all and sundry that after that one and only final he played in that he was a dud, he was no good and would never have been any good. Instead they should have traded or delisted him. Keeping Rose would have been a better option.

With regards to DJ, he has elite speed but unfortunately doesn't have the brains or footy talent to go with it. He will never develop into an A grader. Should never have been selected.

There are similar stories with Addison, Stack and Mulligan. Then we held onto old players for too long. Eade, the worst coach ever. Screwed up a good list. Makes me feel ill when I see people referring to Eade as a 'good coach', gratuitous nonsense.

We could have gotten rid of these players and possibly drafted some real talent to take us into a grand final.

I saw a pretty smart comment written by one of you guys the other day regarding winning finals - the most important thing is the number of A-graders that you put onto the field.

[Mantis]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

And that is exactly the point - the club rated DJ and were prepared to sign him for two years. When they got three years for the price of two they had little to lose and a lot to gain if DJ establishes himself and plays mostly in the seniors in the next two years.

And if he doesn't?

Well then we are stuck with another 2's player.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Eade, the worst coach ever. Screwed up a good list. Makes me feel ill when I see people referring to Eade as a 'good coach', gratuitous nonsense.

Rocket took us from the arse end of the ladder to 3 consecutive preliminary finals. Not bad for the 'worst coach ever'. Just imagine if he'd been any good

As for the 'good list ' he screwed up, in 2004 (when Rocket was appointed), we had stars like Steven Koops, Jade Rawlings and Sam Power.

[ledge]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Rocket took us from the arse end of the ladder to 3 consecutive preliminary finals. Not bad for the 'worst coach ever'. Just imagine if he'd been any good

As for the 'good list ' he screwed up, in 2004 (when Rocket was appointed), we had stars like Steven Koops, Jade Rawlings and Sam Power.

Also 3 prelims doesnt amount to high draft picks and with GC coming into it made it harder, lucky we had father/sons come through in my opinion.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

He's not much better at full back.

We have to try him forward for a year as one last effort before delisting.

[KT31]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

There are similar stories with Addison, Stack and Mulligan. Then we held onto old players for too long. Eade, the worst coach ever. Screwed up a good list. Makes me feel ill when I see people referring to Eade as a 'good coach', gratuitous nonsense.

You obviously haven't studied your Bulldogs history to well.
Eade took us to three Prelim's in a row.
Might make him a smidgeon better than Rhode or Hart.

[mjp]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

We have to try him forward for a year as one last effort before delisting.

'cos you are never finished as a player until you have been recruited to play full-forward for Footscray...boom-boom!

[anfo27]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Also 3 prelims doesnt amount to high draft picks and with GC coming into it made it harder, lucky we had father/sons come through in my opinion.

Not having high draft picks is not an excuse. We just were not savy enough at the trade table to get what we needed to go further than a prelim. Its not a knock on rocket but rather how trading works in the AFL. I think clubs are too worried about being seen as having given away too much.

[Topdog]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

I didn't ever say other clubs were chomping at the bit to sign DJ. Don't put words in my mouth and then ridicule me for them!

Whether DJ will make it with us or not is yet to be seen, however it is incorrect in my opinion to criticise the club for signing him for three years on the cheap. He might end up being a long-shot that doesn't come off (as is the case with many or even most trades) however we are not paying DJ big money at all. DJ was competing at Geelong with heaps of more talented players who play the same roles/positions as him.

If DJ ends up being in our best 20 to 25 players would you say the signing is a disaster?

Yet Geelong have been able to get Menzel and Christenson playing regular games with them.
Stokes, Varcoe and Brynes all able to get gigs too. Poor DJ just didn't have a chance.

He was going to be delisted by Geelong yet we gave up a draft pick and signed him to 3 years. LUNACY!

[LostDoggy]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Deciding to throw myself straight off into the deep end here...

Regarding Fantasia as far as I'm aware he is the the head of the Football Department. We don't currently have a List Manager (although aparently we are looking). Was part of his original job discription that of List Manager, or was it something the entire Football Department took on together? If he wasn't supposed to be managing the list then surely its currrent state is not entirely his fault, but that of the entire Football Department (and yes, as he is the head the buck stops with him). Just trying to figure out how much to blame for the list he actually is.

Here's hoping the addition of a full-time List Manager from 2012 onwards will reduce all the stuff-ups we have been currently seeing. Hopefully they get the right person for the job.

[KT31]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Deciding to throw myself straight off into the deep end here...

Regarding Fantasia as far as I'm aware he is the the head of the Football Department. We don't currently have a List Manager (although aparently we are looking). Was part of his original job discription that of List Manager, or was it something the entire Football Department took on together? If he wasn't supposed to be managing the list then surely its currrent state is not entirely his fault, but that of the entire Football Department (and yes, as he is the head the buck stops with him). Just trying to figure out how much to blame for the list he actually is.

Here's hoping the addition of a full-time List Manager from 2012 onwards will reduce all the stuff-ups we have been currently seeing. Hopefully they get the right person for the job.

IMO , the club got rid of Eade because he could not take the next step.
Fantasia has been responsible for our list and recriuiting for several poor years and must GO !!!!

[anfo27]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

[QUOTE=Bonnite;246588]Deciding to throw myself straight off into the deep end here...

Regarding Fantasia as far as I'm aware he is the the head of the Football Department. We don't currently have a List Manager (although aparently we are looking). Was part of his original job discription that of List Manager, or was it something the entire Football Department took on together? If he wasn't supposed to be managing the list then surely its currrent state is not entirely his fault, but that of the entire Football Department (and yes, as he is the head the buck stops with him). Just trying to figure out how much to blame for the list he actually is.

Here's hoping the addition of a full-time List Manager from 2012 onwards will reduce all the stuff-ups we have been currently seeing. Hopefully they get the right person for the job.[/QUOTE]

We need more than a list manager to solve our problems.