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  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    #76
    Re: Second half fade outs

    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
    At Quarter time, Kirk talked to a Bulldog official. He asked him if he was happy with the lead. The official replied ' just wait until after half time'. And sure enough, we caved in. If our lack of match fitness is so well known ( and broadcast to all ) then why don't we come up with some strategies to counter it?

    1. Hold up the ball more in the second half to allow people to get their breath back. Not for 10 minutes, but just short, 1 minute intervals.
    2, Cooney cannot be the sub. We need an endurance runner who can fill multiple roles.
    3. After half time, Cordy to the ruck, Will to rest, smaller forward line. Lock it into the f50
    Surely it's better to have the endurance runner on from the start and sub in/out players who don't have the fitness to play the whole game, like Cooney, perhaps?

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    • Mofra
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2006
      • 14972

      #77
      Re: Second half fade outs

      Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
      Surely it's better to have the endurance runner on from the start and sub in/out players who don't have the fitness to play the whole game, like Cooney, perhaps?
      I'd prefer some sort of X factor to energise the side when he comes on (a second Dahlhaus would be perfect).
      Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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      • Eastdog
        WOOF Communtiy Organiser
        • Feb 2012
        • 18298

        #78
        Re: Second half fade outs

        Originally posted by Ghost Dog
        Not the worst side in the first quarter! ^_^
        Our starts to matches actually have been quite good. It's frustrating that we can't hold on too our good starts and let the other team back in.
        "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          #79
          Re: Second half fade outs

          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
          Surely it's better to have the endurance runner on from the start and sub in/out players who don't have the fitness to play the whole game, like Cooney, perhaps?
          You make a good point. But are we going to need to ask more of our sub than other clubs, in terms of time on the field? that's my point but I take yours.
          You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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          • Twodogs
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27656

            #80
            Re: Second half fade outs

            Originally posted by Mofra
            I'd prefer some sort of X factor to energise the side when he comes on (a second Dahlhaus would be perfect).

            A second Dalhaus would be good. Half a dozen Dalhaus's would be perfect.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66812

              #81
              Re: Second half fade outs

              Originally posted by Maddog37
              Congratulations BAD!

              Should we get a trophy minted to commemorate your football acumen?
              Why such a smart arse comment?
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • Sockeye Salmon
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 6365

                #82
                Re: Second half fade outs

                Originally posted by Mofra
                I'd prefer some sort of X factor to energise the side when he comes on (a second Dahlhaus would be perfect).
                If we had another Dahlhaus I wouldn't be wasting him as the sub either!

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                • Nuggety Back Pocket
                  WOOF Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 2064

                  #83
                  Re: Second half fade outs

                  Originally posted by G-Mo77
                  That first quarter is where we want to be the hard part is replicating that for 4 quarters. I guess with time the younger players will be able to run out games. Despite being a blow out I was more upbeat after the game, there were some good passages of play even after we lost our legs. It'll take time but we'll get there.

                  Confidence has a lot to do with it as well. The heads dropped when Sydney hit the front in the 2nd quarter and it was downhill after that. That's going to be a tricky hurdle to overcome now as well.
                  Our dominance in the midfield in the first quarter was a major factor in our early dominance, where Minson, Griffen and Smith were outstanding. Once the Sydney Swans took control in this department it was game over with Minson noticeably tiring after half time. Cross Liberatore and Dahlhaus have been big losses resulting in Kennedy, O'Keefe Jack etc taking control.

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                  • Eastdog
                    WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 18298

                    #84
                    Re: Second half fade outs

                    Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
                    Our dominance in the midfield in the first quarter was a major factor in our early dominance, where Minson, Griffen and Smith were outstanding. Once the Sydney Swans took control in this department it was game over with Minson noticeably tiring after half time. Cross Liberatore and Dahlhaus have been big losses resulting in Kennedy, O'Keefe Jack etc taking control.
                    That's another factor we have quite a few players injuried or not available. Morris is another that comes to mind.
                    "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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                    • Maddog37
                      WOOF Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3132

                      #85
                      Re: Second half fade outs

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Why such a smart arse comment?
                      Sorry BAD, it was a bit juvenile.

                      I just get a touch annoyed with I told you so type statements. I feel it really adds nothing to a forum.

                      Consider it my personal bugbear.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 66812

                        #86
                        Re: Second half fade outs

                        Originally posted by Maddog37
                        Sorry BAD, it was a bit juvenile.

                        I just get a touch annoyed with I told you so type statements. I feel it really adds nothing to a forum.

                        Consider it my personal bugbear.
                        ok, no problems
                        FFC: Established 1883

                        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #87
                          Re: Second half fade outs

                          Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
                          Our dominance in the midfield in the first quarter was a major factor in our early dominance, where Minson, Griffen and Smith were outstanding. Once the Sydney Swans took control in this department it was game over with Minson noticeably tiring after half time. Cross Liberatore and Dahlhaus have been big losses resulting in Kennedy, O'Keefe Jack etc taking control.
                          This.

                          The previous week against Richmond we fell in a hole when Cotchin, Deledio and Martin went into the middle.

                          In both games we moved the ball quickly early, them had a spurt in the third quarter. It's quite odd how we just stop running from behind and stop providing so many fast leading options. Standstill footy takes over when opposition teams gain the ascendancy. The Swans and Tigers were both excellent in hitting leading targets and quickly transferring the ball from end to end, especially in the second half. We seem powerless to do anything cohesive when the the other team has gained control. It almost looks like we are suddenly playing a different way and can't get control back. We just do not have the answers until endurance and maturity (experience) take over.

                          But I was impressed with the fact that we did have some good, fluent passages of play after half time, albeit, somewhat briefly and not always ending in a successful outcome….but the green shoots were there and I think there is much to build on next year.

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                          • Maddog37
                            WOOF Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3132

                            #88
                            Re: Second half fade outs

                            Nice post Metal.

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                            • Webby
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 1880

                              #89
                              Re: Second half fade outs

                              Nice to see some common sense applied on this. I commend LongWait and HairyMidget's viewpoint on this subject. A lack of negativity and some foresight. So long as I can see direction and progress for the club, I'm patient enough to wait. Christ, from what I'm reading on this forum, I get the feeling a lot of posters would prefer the club to jab up Cooney's knee, rush Morris back from injury and cover the spread. As no great lover of Essendon, I've taken great delight in their supporters' lack of patience meaning that they've completely mid managed their 5 year premiership plan. Patience is a virtue. Look at Geelong and Hawthorn's approach 8 or 9 years ago. They took the long term view and developed a list capable of premiership footy. Impatience is a killer for footy clubs. Unlike Richmond and Essendon, if nothing else, patience should be our strength. Try to enjoy the build up to our next run at it. Embrace it. It's early days, but we're trying to build something here. Don't focus on ripping it all down before its even had a chance to begin!

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                              • dadsgirl16
                                Draftee
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 732

                                #90
                                Re: Second half fade outs

                                Hear Hear Webby

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