Ayce Cordy

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Not too sure I understand you here DB. Can you try to explain that part another way?

Baz,

I think he is asking if the other clubs know who is bidding???

I.e. - Will Sydney know if Richmond has bid and vice versa??

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Not too sure I understand you here DB. Can you try to explain that part another way?

well during the bidding process are all the clubs in the same room when they go from one to the next and ask what they bid, or are they asked seperately so they do not know whether the previous club has bid a first round or a third round pick.

i am of the opinion that they shouldnt be aware of what other clubs have bid as you would get closer to market value that way, rather than getting to the club in the position before us realising that no one else has bid a first rounder and then thinking well we know the dogs will take it and we dont want him to drop to the 2nd round for them, even if they hadn't been planning to bid that pick because they had a different need.

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

well during the bidding process are all the clubs in the same room when they go from one to the next and ask what they bid, or are they asked seperately so they do not know whether the previous club has bid a first round or a third round pick.

i am of the opinion that they shouldnt be aware of what other clubs have bid as you would get closer to market value that way, rather than getting to the club in the position before us realising that no one else has bid a first rounder and then thinking well we know the dogs will take it and we dont want him to drop to the 2nd round for them, even if they hadn't been planning to bid that pick because they had a different need.

I am not too sure how the actual mechanics work.

At the end of the day clubs will collude one way or the other. I reckon before they enter the room they'll all know which club, if any, will bid.

My guess is Richmond.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Ayce Cordy

I am not too sure how the actual mechanics work.

At the end of the day clubs will collude one way or the other. I reckon before they enter the room they'll all know which club, if any, will bid.

My guess is Richmond.

Richmond could get young Sidebottom with pick 8.

Big call to pass on that opportunity for Ayce.

[Happy Days]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Won't clubs just nominate for Ayce, knowing full well we are taking him?

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Won't clubs just nominate for Ayce, knowing full well we are taking him?

I reckon those with the first 6 picks will not nominate, they would have earmarked who they want & would be committed to that selection.

I reckon it's from pick 7-13 we have to worry about.

[Twodogs]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Won't clubs just nominate for Ayce, knowing full well we are taking him?

Yep. I've said it from the moment this system was announced. The system is open to manipulation and it'll be us who cops it the worse because as soon as it happens to say a Collingwood or an interstate club, or even if one of those clubs decide they no longer like it, the whole system will be reviewed.



We will miss out big time with this stupid, stupid rule.

[GVGjr]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Yep. I've said it from the moment this system was announced. The system is open to manipulation and it'll be us who cops it the worse because as soon as it happens to say a Collingwood or an interstate club, or even if one of those clubs decide they no longer like it, the whole system will be reviewed.

We will miss out big time with this stupid, stupid rule.

The Saints have been frustrated by trying to recruit ruckman over a number of years and might look at Cordy as a nice solution to their problems in a couple of seasons time. There isn't a lot of downside risk for them to nominate him knowing at the very least we would feel obliged to use the next pick. If for some reason we didn't take that option it's not like the Saints would be screwed at all but at the very least they have made sure we don't pay silver and receive gold by getting him in the 2nd round.

I agree it's not a good rule and they need to come up with a better solution.

[Desipura]

Re: Ayce Cordy

The Saints have been frustrated by trying to recruit ruckman over a number of years and might look at Cordy as a nice solution to their problems in a couple of seasons time. There isn't a lot of downside risk for them to nominate him knowing at the very least we would feel obliged to use the next pick. If for some reason we didn't take that option it's not like the Saints would be screwed at all but at the very least they have made sure we don't pay silver and receive gold by getting him in the 2nd round.

I agree it's not a good rule and they need to come up with a better solution.

Not too sure about that, they invested in McEvoy last year and cannot see them going another ruckman with their first pick again.

[GVGjr]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Not too sure about that, they invested in McEvoy last year and cannot see them going another ruckman with their first pick again.

My response was more towards answering what Twodogs said than being based on anything concrete. It should show that we or anyone else could be manipulated though.
But in response to your post:

McEvoy plays more as a key forward than he does as a ruckman in the VFL but will switch between the two positions. Given the form and age of Gardiner and King I think they would could be tempted to add another ruckman anyway. The point I was making is that there isn't a lot of downside in a team like the Saints nominating Cordy and putting the acid test on us to take him in the first round.

[anthj]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Why would a club want to screw us by nominating him so we have to use pick #14 on him. The clubs know we will get him no matter what, so what's the point! How awesome it would be if we could get him in the 2nd or 3rd round!

[MrMahatma]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Why would a club want to screw us by nominating him so we have to use pick #14 on him. The clubs know we will get him no matter what, so what's the point! How awesome it would be if we could get him in the 2nd or 3rd round!

So you'd be OK with us letting Collingwood or any other team take a F/S rated a potential top 5 pick, with their 2nd or 3rd rounder, so they could nab another good young kid with their first rounder?

It's a 'competition'... not a love in.

[Born & Bred]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Would be nice to see him play as he hardly pulled on the boots for Geelong Falcons this year.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Ayce Cordy

Would be nice to see him play as he hardly pulled on the boots for Geelong Falcons this year.

This is my point. I have asked repeatedly on threads, and will do so again, apart from his height and agility and potential (bearing in mind Livingston was the next Silvagni and we had the next Macleod), what hs he done to mandate going first round.

What comps has he dominated, how many games won off his own boot, what games has everyone watches in awe of him. Please WOOF watchers, tell me what he actually done to get my rate rate up about drafting, and dont say only potential because everyone has potential.

[GVGjr]

Re: Ayce Cordy

This is my point. I have asked repeatedly on threads, and will do so again, apart from his height and agility and potential (bearing in mind Livingston was the next Silvagni and we had the next Macleod), what hs he done to mandate going first round.

What comps has he dominated, how many games won off his own boot, what games has everyone watches in awe of him. Please WOOF watchers, tell me what he actually done to get my rate rate up about drafting, and dont say only potential because everyone has potential.

We keep having to go back to the P word I'm afraid. Between his school footy last season and the occasional game for the Falcons and then a couple for Vic Country most of us haven't seen anywhere near enough to make a strong call. I do know that Chris Grant thought he was a talent and the Bulldog recruiters were talking about him last year as well as a terrific talent and they haven't changed their views this season. Given his height and build you can only select him as a long term project and there will be no return for a couple of seasons. I'd love to be able to tell you he is a can't miss prospect but I have some reservations mainly about how long it will take for him to fill out.
Draft camp might provide some more answers.