Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

[LostDoggy]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

I'd take Watts in a heartbeat, and I would be happy to spend something like our Higgins compo to get him. He is obviously very highly skilled, with a good footy brain, we just need to coach some mongrel into him. I own a couple pacers and you never want to buy a horse that has been with a good trainer, as it is very hard to improve them. What you're looking for is a horse where you can see potential but from a trainer you think you can improve upon. I think Jack Watts has potential and the Melbourne Football Club is a trainer we can improve from.

[Mofra]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

He did a long interview last year which was an interesting view of how he works from management point of view and I think I said then off the back of that BMac would be the best coaching fit. I'd be looking at pitching to him a defensive spot over the longer term, the role that Dale currently has. He's not Dale, not close, but he's not played the second/third tall role consistently from my memory. But I'd have him working with Scarlo and Dale and trying to turn him into that type of player. As you say, he's IQ and skills are solid which is a strength of Dale's. We'd just need to back in that a different culture, coach that works with his style, a new opportunity and fresh role would work for him.

I think he's the anti-thesis of Morris - Morris is a very limited footballer (in terms of natural talent) who has overcome his deficiencies by sheer will and dedication.

Watts is the opposite - if I had to use a modern footballer as a prototype I'd prefer Mackie: tall enough to provide a chop-out to help taller defenders, but skilled & quick enough to run off his man and provide defensive rebound with both run and footskills.

Although we're building a team based around contested ball, Watts is actually the kind of player that would suit us.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

What about Jack Watts? Is he a rescue candidate?


He could still be a player I reckon.

I don't think a club like ours could take a risk on him.
I just see it backfiring and it would effect us in many other ways compared to if a more successful club tried.

He's also not really the type we need in terms of his game style.
Where would we play him? We need a strong contested marking forward, not another non-defensive forward who doesn't hit the contest. Perhaps as a defender but would we be prepared to pay the price required for that role?

[Sedat]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Where would we play him? We need a strong contested marking forward, not another non-defensive forward who doesn't hit the contest. Perhaps as a defender but would we be prepared to pay the price required for that role?

He would be a very effective distributor across half back, and we are not exactly flushed with quality supply of on our list outside of Bob. Indeed he has played this role at Melbourne recently and with good success, but Melbourne need so much more out of him so he has been played in the heat of the kitchen and up forward more by Roos this year. I agree with Mofra, his skill set compliments what we already have. However his lack of competitiveness and desire is an issue that may or may not improve at a new club. Certainly the baggage of being the top draft pick and key forward messiah at Melbourne would have stifled his instincts a little, which could explain some (but certainly not all) of his lack of intensity at the contest.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Just heard our shocking stats of one on one's in the defensive end.
Wood 38% beaten, Roughy and Dale both in the 30% range.

[lemmon]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Its probably a bit like Hill and Everitt, they just don't have the passion and determination even though they have the talent. Both at new clubs and only marginally better than when they were with us.

The only thing that may help a player when changing clubs is whether they have personal issues with coaches, or club staff that make them unhappy and this reflects in their attitude and the way they play.

Agree on Hill but Everitt has become an extremely solid footballer, would fit snugly into our best 22. I never thought application or courage were a fault of Andrejs, just looked like he didn't believe he had the talent. On Watts, I wouldn't touch him after going through three coaches, if he went back to the VFL and tore it up in the way Dan Connors is now then I'd certainly consider him as having turned a corner but before then it's just a spot on the list we could utilise better.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Everitt should be a key position player at that height.

[Bornadog]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

From Herald Sun

Tyson Goldsack to Port Adelaide
(3 Year Deal @$400k Per Year)
James Gwilt to Adelaide
Cameron O'Shea to St.Kilda

[LostDoggy]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Just read that. Trading/FA has started early this year.

[lemmon]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

From Herald Sun

Tyson Goldsack to Port Adelaide
(3 Year Deal @$400k Per Year)
James Gwilt to Adelaide
Cameron O'Shea to St.Kilda

Goldsack's a very good get for a club on the fringes like Port. I wouldn't mind a flutter at O'Shea if he were on offer, has a bit more pace than our current tall backs, not sure what he's like ball in hand though

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

James Gwilt ? Good lord, why?

[soupman]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

James Gwilt ? Good lord, why?

Power forward based on his game against us.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Power forward based on his game against us.

Every forward looks like John Coleman against us.

[boydogs]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Not impressed by any of those names. Goldsack is like Tom Young, tall but can't play key position. $400k seems way overs

[Remi Moses]

Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

Not impressed by any of those names. Goldsack is like Tom Young, tall but can't play key position. $400k seems way overs

Same for me . Goldsack's versatile, but he's a third tall at best at either end.
Good defensive forward, but no thank you at 400 large