Australia in the West Indies

[Twodogs]

Re: Australia in the West Indies

Talk about lack of application .
By Jesus the modern cricketer cannot go an over without getting on top of the bowling.
Just sometimes conditions and the bowling require some application and patience .
That's why it's called Test cricket
Well done to Adam Voges and the tail for applying themselves

Quite a lot of the time.

[FrediKanoute]

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Top knock by Voges. He was the only one to show any degree of patience. In the interview at the close of play he commented that the pitch was tough to bat on. I was disappointed in Smith and Clarke - both showed no patience. they have to do this if Australia are to prosper against the English. You would have to think on the first innings that Voges has booked himself a start in Cardiff. Marsh/Watto in trouble for mine.

[GVGjr]

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I thought we played arrogant cricket (apart from Voges). The need for Smith and Watson to 'dominate' the spinner really had no consideration for the situation. Bishoo was into a good spell, the deck turning big and Jerome Taylor had settled into a solid spell at the other end, really poor game sense.

It really does make me wonder, is the Lehman/Clarke ultra aggressive approach able to win games against good opposition on these slow and low decks? They haven't done it thus far

I'm glad you mentioned this. I was getting frustrated with Clarke who was trying to dominate Bishoo but I didn't notice it with Smith who was batting poorly but at least he was trying to hang around. Watson tried to dominate and paid a high price.

We love the idea of playing Watson at 6 and utilising his bowling but I still maintain he is a top order batsman if he is to be selected.
The tail enders once again showed that if you applied yourself you can support one of the recognised batsman and build a decent score.

I know it's only one inning but how much longer do we stick with Watson if he is average with the bat through the series?

[Remi Moses]

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Watson hasn't got any patience. This whole attitude of dominating the bowling just can't apply at all times.

[Remi Moses]

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Top knock by Voges. He was the only one to show any degree of patience. In the interview at the close of play he commented that the pitch was tough to bat on. I was disappointed in Smith and Clarke - both showed no patience. they have to do this if Australia are to prosper against the English. You would have to think on the first innings that Voges has booked himself a start in Cardiff. Marsh/Watto in trouble for mine.

Joe Burns should have been picked

[Twodogs]

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I'm glad you mentioned this. I was getting frustrated with Clarke who was trying to dominate Bishoo but I didn't notice it with Smith who was batting poorly but at least he was trying to hang around. Watson tried to dominate and paid a high price.

We love the idea of playing Watson at 6 and utilising his bowling but I still maintain he is a top order batsman if he is to be selected.
The tail enders once again showed that if you applied yourself you can support one of the recognised batsman and build a decent score.

I know it's only one inning but how much longer do we stick with Watson if he is average with the bat through the series?

Watson isn't the sort of batsman to be batting with the tailenders. For a start he plays too often he plays silly shots and gets caught halfway to the boundary just as he gets settled.

[GVGjr]

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Watson isn't the sort of batsman to be batting with the tailenders. For a start he plays too often he plays silly shots and gets caught halfway to the boundary just as he gets settled.

Voges was batting well and Watson didn't really try to support him. We weren't after quick runs but he gave the impression that we needed to get a move on and he was aiming for a quickfire 30 or 40.

By the way, the Voges innings was very much dominated by his ability to score on the leg side and he must have been thankful that they likes of Hazlewood stuck in there.

[Remi Moses]

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West Indies making a good fist of it 3/129.
Leggie would be more dangerous than an offie on this track

[GVGjr]

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The Windies gave it away right when they took the lead. The bowlers shared the wickets.

[Twodogs]

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I checked the scores at tea and the Windies were 25 runs on with 7 wickets in hand. Next time I checked it was all over.

[lemmon]

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What are the thoughts on Starc's game? Bowled well to the tail and had the second new ball swinging by the looks of things but he's still well behind Hazlewood, Johnson and Harris when he returns

[Twodogs]

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What are the thoughts on Starc's game? Bowled well to the tail and had the second new ball swinging by the looks of things but he's still well behind Hazlewood, Johnson and Harris when he returns

Didn't see much of Starc's game but I am a huge fan of left arm fast/swing bowling as a rule. Apart from really good leg spin it's the hardest type of bowling to play.

[Greystache]

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What are the thoughts on Starc's game? Bowled well to the tail and had the second new ball swinging by the looks of things but he's still well behind Hazlewood, Johnson and Harris when he returns

I was discussing just this point today. The make up of the 3 quicks for the ashes will be interesting. Harris seems to be an automatic when fit, Johnson will start because of the mental edge he'll have on England, which leaves one spot. Personally I think Starc bowling at his best will make the ashes a formality, but Hazelwood has had good results. Personally I'd start the first Test with Starc.

[lemmon]

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I was discussing just this point today. The make up of the 3 quicks for the ashes will be interesting. Harris seems to be an automatic when fit, Johnson will start because of the mental edge he'll have on England, which leaves one spot. Personally I think Starc bowling at his best will make the ashes a formality, but Hazelwood has had good results. Personally I'd start the first Test with Starc.

It's a good point about Starc being at his best but I'm still yet to see it at test or even first class level. I do think we need to differentiate between red and white ball cricket more, particularly in terms of fast bowling. Brett Lee is a great example of a guy who swung the white ball prodigiously (and is probably the best short form bowler in Australian history) but never really replicated it consistently in test match cricket.

I'm a huge fan of Hazlewood and think we have something pretty special there. The length he bowls is more Philander than McGrath but he is ultra-consistent, bowls a beautiful channel and has a genuine out-swinger. I actually think he's a chance to be leading the attack by the time the Ashes finishes and brings something different to the other two in his ability to bowl long spells and dry things up. Clear choice in my attack

[Twodogs]

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Don't forget that Pattinson and Cummings will be available for the Ashes too.