Sledging Banned

[Sockeye Salmon]

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The way I see it, nobody is attempting to ban the sledge (which is not a word anyway). To quote from the news report: The ICC has sent a letter to international match officials, captains and chief executives over personal attacks that are "obscene, offensive or insulting".

Statements like, "It's a leg break, Daryl" do not fall under this Banner.

However, comments like this made by one Australian opening bowler some time ago, "You're nothing but a black, mongrel @#$% ^&$, &%$& do.

This is what they are seeking to ban.

Has been outlawed for years.

The ICC has cowtowed to Indian and Sri Lankan softkoks who aren't tough enough to deserve to be test cricketers.

[Twodogs]

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The way I see it, nobody is attempting to ban the sledge (which is not a word anyway). To quote from the news report: The ICC has sent a letter to international match officials, captains and chief executives over personal attacks that are "obscene, offensive or insulting".

Statements like, "It's a leg break, Daryl" do not fall under this Banner.

However, comments like this made by one Australian opening bowler some time ago, "You're nothing but a black, mongrel @#$% ^&$, &%$& do.

This is what they are seeking to ban.

That's already banned and has been since before siad fast bowler's outburst-which incidently came after the batsmen had made some pretty classy remarks about his wive's breast cancer.


At least the batsman was there in person to defend himself and not in an oncology ward.

[ledge]

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There is a difference between sledgeing and using peoples personal problems to get at them.

[FrediKanoute]

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Banning spin bowling wouldn't affect Ashley Giles in the slightest

Red Card!!!! That was a Sledge!

Seriously though there is a line and the minute it gets personal on any level its no longer a sporting comment. Comments re Mcgrath's ill wife were out of line, just as comments re Singh's turbin would be out of line. Warney telling Cullinan that its a leg-break wouldn't be out of line.

The minute you have to stop and think whether an average person on the street would get away with saying something is time to consider whether its sledging or not. If you wouldn't say it on the street then there is no place for it on the cricket field.

TBH though that's not what the Ausrtalian strength is. Comment's like Warney's or Waugh's generally came after sustained pressure on the opposition and were comments used to reinforce in the opposition's mind just how tough the Ausrtalians were and conversely just how weak the opposition were. Insulting Singh's mother/sister etc is simply not something historically the Aussies did.

What I have to ask though is why this has become such a hot issue under the Ponting captaincy. To me more and more "on-field" issues are making their way "off-field" under Ponting's captaincy than under Border/Taylor/Waugh. Sledging is just one of them and I think a large amount of the blame has to be levelled at the Australian captain.

[LostDoggy]

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Has been outlawed for years.

The ICC has cowtowed to Indian and Sri Lankan softkoks who aren't tough enough to deserve to be test cricketers.

Again, note the wording of the instruction - personal attacks that are "obscene, offensive or insulting".

People have this romantic view of the game that assumes that all comments are amusing by-play. From first hand experience this is not the case. If the general public had any idea of the level of abuse that goes on, most would shy away from the game.

Personally, I take the view that Test cricket is about playing for sheep stations and bad luck if people are offended. It comes down to what is acceptable and what is not. Clearly, now, what is acceptable to me and possibly you, is not acceptable to adminstrators.

But don't write it off as comical by-play.

[LostDoggy]

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That's already banned and has been since before siad fast bowler's outburst-which incidently came after the batsmen had made some pretty classy remarks about his wive's breast cancer.


At least the batsman was there in person to defend himself and not in an oncology ward.

I'm not talking about Mc Grath. This incident was typical and long before that. Abusive language to players is not new.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Again, note the wording of the instruction - personal attacks that are "obscene, offensive or insulting".

People have this romantic view of the game that assumes that all comments are amusing by-play. From first hand experience this is not the case. If the general public had any idea of the level of abuse that goes on, most would shy away from the game.

Personally, I take the view that Test cricket is about playing for sheep stations and bad luck if people are offended. It comes down to what is acceptable and what is not. Clearly, now, what is acceptable to me and possibly you, is not acceptable to adminstrators.

But don't write it off as comical by-play.

It's not about comical by-play at all.

It's about being mentally tough enough.

If you can't play leg spin you won't make it in test cricket.
If your not fit enough you won't make it in test cricket.
If you're not mentally tough enough you don't deserve to make it in test cricket.

Unfortunately the ICC are taking out one of the games skills.



I'm somewhat rotund and I've lost count of the number of times I've been called a fat **** on the field. So what? Should I be getting all precious and have a cry?

It's nothing personal, it's cricket. Deal with it.

"I shagged your sister". Really? Don't let my brother-in-law find out then.

Why would anyone pay attention to anything that you know was deliberately being said to put you off?


The only one that was really a problem was the McGrath/Sarwan thing about McGrath's wife and I am absolutely certain that either
1) Sarwan didn't know about McGrath's wife's condition or
2) had a total vague out at the time about it

It was unfortunate at the time but we all got over it.

[LostDoggy]

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I'm somewhat rotund and I've lost count of the number of times I've been called a fat **** on the field. So what? Should I be getting all precious and have a cry?

It's nothing personal, it's cricket. Deal with it.

"I shagged your sister". Really? Don't let my brother-in-law find out then.

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You find that acceptable and I don't take offence at it either but many people will - refer to FrediKanoute's post. In fact, probably the majority of people will find it offensive. Accordingly, the administrators want it out of the game.

My point is we are all on soft ground arguing in favour of allowing such personal abuse to continue.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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You find that acceptable and I don't take offence at it either but many people will - refer to FrediKanoute's post. In fact, probably the majority of people will find it offensive. Accordingly, the administrators want it out of the game.

My point is we are all on soft ground arguing in favour of allowing such personal abuse to continue.

Then they should tough the **** up or accept that they're not test cricketers.

[Twodogs]

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TBH though that's not what the Ausrtalian strength is. Comment's like Warney's or Waugh's generally came after sustained pressure on the opposition and were comments used to reinforce in the opposition's mind just how tough the Ausrtalians were and conversely just how weak the opposition were. Insulting Singh's mother/sister etc is simply not something historically the Aussies did.

But that's not what sledging is all about. It's a small part but essentially when you're batting it's you against eleven blokes and there doing everything they can to get at you. If they cant get at you with their bowling and fielding they've got every right to start trying to get in your head, if you let them then it's your lack of mental discipline that's to blame. Batsmen should be thinking about the next ball, that's their job, It's not listening to a bunch of wallys badmouthing someone they've never met..



Maybe it's the fact that I stood at the front counter of a CES office for 15 years and got desensitised to being called every name under the sun, but I find it easy to overlook all sorts of abuse directed at me on the field. Afterall when they start resorting to sledging it means your doing your job and you should wear it as a badge of honour. Also often when the fielders dont get a response it means theyre only a couple of overs away from arguing amongst themselves.

[LostDoggy]

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Red Card!!!! That was a Sledge!

Insulting Singh's mother/sister etc is simply not something historically the Aussies did.

What I have to ask though is why this has become such a hot issue under the Ponting captaincy. To me more and more "on-field" issues are making their way "off-field" under Ponting's captaincy than under Border/Taylor/Waugh. Sledging is just one of them and I think a large amount of the blame has to be levelled at the Australian captain.

Let me assure you that comments similar and far worse that "Insulting Singh's mother/sister" were rife prior to Border/Taylor/Waugh's captaincy.

Whilst I cannot speak of the Border/Taylor/Waugh era, there is nothing to assume that things are worse under Ponting's captaincy that before.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, if the public had any idea of what goes on in the middle, most would give the game away. I'm not one of them because in my view Test cricket is "playing for sheep stations" but I fully understand that many people would be concerned at such going's on.

[ledge]

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But that's not what sledging is all about. It's a small part but essentially when you're batting it's you against eleven blokes and there doing everything they can to get at you. If they cant get at you with their bowling and fielding they've got every right to start trying to get in your head, if you let them then it's your lack of mental discipline that's to blame. Batsmen should be thinking about the next ball, that's their job, It's not listening to a bunch of wallys badmouthing someone they've never met..



Maybe it's the fact that I stood at the front counter of a CES office for 15 years and got desensitised to being called every name under the sun, but I find it easy to overlook all sorts of abuse directed at me on the field. Afterall when they start resorting to sledging it means your doing your job and you should wear it as a badge of honour. Also often when the fielders dont get a response it means theyre only a couple of overs away from arguing amongst themselves.

As a cricketer of 33 years playing,and still having a hit, i applaud this quote, hit the nail on the head, grow up and get over it, its all by play to me when im out there batting, i actually enjoy it and wait for the new comments and have a giggle about them, it tends to annoy the fieldsman more if you go along with it because they know its not working.
And test cricketers cant handle it?

[Twodogs]

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As a cricketer of 33 years playing,and still having a hit, i applaud this quote, hit the nail on the head, grow up and get over it, its all by play to me when im out there batting, i actually enjoy it and wait for the new comments and have a giggle about them, it tends to annoy the fieldsman more if you go along with it because they know its not working.
And test cricketers cant handle it?

That's the bottom line. If it's getting into your head then it's serving it's purpose. You've got two options, ignore it and hope they'll tire of it or give it back worse. It's not as if batsmen dont sledge fast bowlers in order to make them lose their rag and bowl too fast.

[LostDoggy]

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I find it easy to overlook all sorts of abuse directed at me on the field. .

Would you also overlook personal abuse off the field?

If you answer no to this, then why should the abuser be protected on the field?

And do you think the lawmakers had it in their mind for the game to allow personal abuse?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Would you also overlook personal abuse off the field?

If you answer no to this, then why should the abuser be protected on the field?

And do you think the lawmakers had it in their mind for the game to allow personal abuse?

Because of the motive behind the personal abuse.

On field their motive is to put you off to gain an advantage - nothing personal, just another tactic.

Off field their motive can only be personal and therefore that makes them fair game to get belted.