Soccer Question

[Twodogs]

I was thinking the other day about the offside rule.

If a player ran into touch so that he is on the wrong side of the touch line could he just wait near the corner flag until his team get possession then after one of his teammates hoofs the ball forward he steps back onto the field and remain onside?

[boydogs]

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I imagine it would come down to whether he is still offside when he comes back onto the field

[Twodogs]

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I imagine it would come down to whether he is still offside when he comes back onto the field

Yep. He'd wait until he was onside until he reentered the pitch. Or would he be offside the moment he affected play?

My theory is if the ball is kicked into the half and you aren't in an offside position then everyone from then on should technically be onside even if you have reentered from off the pitch. Players run off and on the pitch all the time and stay involved in play.

[westdog54]

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I was thinking the other day about the offside rule.

If a player ran into touch so that he is on the wrong side of the touch line could he just wait near the corner flag until his team get possession then after one of his teammates hoofs the ball forward he steps back onto the field and remain onside?

I stand to be corrected as I'm no expert on the rules, but I'm pretty sure that a player cannot officially leave or enter the field without notifying the referee.

Add such even though he's not actuality on the pitch he would still be considered 'in play'

[LostDoggy]

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I imagine it would come down to whether he is still offside when he comes back onto the field

My understanding of the offside rule is that it only applies in the instant a teammate passes the ball. Once the ball is passed, you are free to be wherever you want.

Whether or not a player outside of the field of play is deemed closer to goal than one indside the field is more the issue I'd imagine.

[Twodogs]

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I stand to be corrected as I'm no expert on the rules, but I'm pretty sure that a player cannot officially leave or enter the field without notifying the referee.

Add such even though he's not actuality on the pitch he would still be considered 'in play'

I thought so as well but you see players run off and on the pitch all the time dribbling around opponents they keep the ball in play but step around the opponent by running on the other side of the byline and then back in again.

My understanding of the offside rule is that it only applies in the instant a teammate passes the ball. Once the ball is passed, you are free to be wherever you want.

Whether or not a player outside of the field of play is deemed closer to goal than one indside the field is more the issue I'd imagine.

That's how I understand the offside rule works too. The same as players staying onside because they have run ahead of defenders while the ball is in the air.

[soupman]

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I thought so as well but you see players run off and on the pitch all the time dribbling around opponents they keep the ball in play but step around the opponent by running on the other side of the byline and then back in again.

Same as in AFL. They can be off the field of play, but still on the field and in the play. Thik of any time someone like Eddie Betts runs along holding the ball in the field of play while he is out. He isn't off. Soccer is the same, except the ref controls everything.

So for example in AFL the bench runs automonously without umpire input, while in soccer any changes have to happen only with the refs permission. Likewise if someone needs treatment, the ref sends them off and then they have to await permission to return.

Therefore if a player waits next to their goal but off the field then they are still technically on the field unless the ref says they'e not. If the ref says they aren't on the field then they can't return until he says so.

So the answer is they are offside, because they are gaining an advantage from an offside position as soon as they affect the play in any way.

[Twodogs]

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Same as in AFL. They can be off the field of play, but still on the field and in the play. Thik of any time someone like Eddie Betts runs along holding the ball in the field of play while he is out. He isn't off. Soccer is the same, except the ref controls everything.

So for example in AFL the bench runs automonously without umpire input, while in soccer any changes have to happen only with the refs permission. Likewise if someone needs treatment, the ref sends them off and then they have to await permission to return.

Therefore if a player waits next to their goal but off the field then they are still technically on the field unless the ref says they'e not. If the ref says they aren't on the field then they can't return until he says so.

So the answer is they are offside, because they are gaining an advantage from an offside position as soon as they affect the play in any way.

I didn't think it would be that easy somehow.

One thing about soccer is the coaches and managers don't seem to concern themselves with tactical advantages. They take the long term strategic view, get their players in before the season, set up a playing style 4/3/3 or 2/3/5 or whatever and then don't interfere with or adjust it at all over the season.

[soupman]

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I didn't think it would be that easy somehow.

One thing about soccer is the coaches and managers don't seem to concern themselves with tactical advantages. They take the long term strategic view, get their players in before the season, set up a playing style 4/3/3 or 2/3/5 or whatever and then don't interfere with or adjust it at all over the season.

I think you couldn't be further from the truth with this statement. Soccer tends to more tactically flexible and fluid that AFL by a long way.

For example Melbourne City this season have started games with 3 at the back, 4 at the back, two strikers, one striker, attacking wingbacks, no wingbacks and a variety of other positional changes. And thats 4 games in. Depending on game situation you might see sides bring on an extra defender to defend a lead, try to stack the midfield or add different types of attacking players on the pitch.

Sure if you watched John Aloisi he follows the Nathan Buckley method of come up with an occasionally effective tactic and do not change it ever, but he vast majority a constantly tinkering with their side and changing formation and squad setup depending on the opponent.

[jeemak]

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I didn't think it would be that easy somehow.

One thing about soccer is the coaches and managers don't seem to concern themselves with tactical advantages. They take the long term strategic view, get their players in before the season, set up a playing style 4/3/3 or 2/3/5 or whatever and then don't interfere with or adjust it at all over the season.

In some parts of the world the type of tactic you mention would escalate to full scale violence.

Players and managers are OK to see a player dive for a penalty without a hint of contact and tumble with endless momentum, but as soon as somebody does something as underhanded as what you're proposing everyone starts fly kicking each other.

[Twodogs]

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In some parts of the world the type of tactic you mention would escalate to full scale violence.

Players and managers are OK to see a player dive for a penalty without a hint of contact and tumble with endless momentum, but as soon as somebody does something as underhanded as what you're proposing everyone starts fly kicking each other.

I've never let what other people might do stop me from giving them the benefit of my wisdom. Besides I don't mind a good fly kicking.

[Twodogs]

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I think you couldn't be further from the truth with this statement. Soccer tends to more tactically flexible and fluid that AFL by a long way.

For example Melbourne City this season have started games with 3 at the back, 4 at the back, two strikers, one striker, attacking wingbacks, no wingbacks and a variety of other positional changes. And thats 4 games in. Depending on game situation you might see sides bring on an extra defender to defend a lead, try to stack the midfield or add different types of attacking players on the pitch.

Sure if you watched John Aloisi he follows the Nathan Buckley method of come up with an occasionally effective tactic and do not change it ever, but he vast majority a constantly tinkering with their side and changing formation and squad setup depending on the opponent.

It's 20 years of watching Arsene Wenger I think.

[Topdog]

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It's 20 years of watching Arsene Wenger I think.

But even Wenger changes things up. I think these days people get too caught up with a formation line such as 4-3-3 without realising it can be extremely fluid. Wenger has played with strong defensive midfielders before, false 9s, multiple central attacking midfielders, inverted wingers. The man is a brilliant manager (unfortunately as a Spurs man) and I long to see the day he departs. Second only to SAF in the last 20 years IMO

[Twodogs]

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But even Wenger changes things up. I think these days people get too caught up with a formation line such as 4-3-3 without realising it can be extremely fluid. Wenger has played with strong defensive midfielders before, false 9s, multiple central attacking midfielders, inverted wingers. The man is a brilliant manager (unfortunately as a Spurs man) and I long to see the day he departs. Second only to SAF in the last 20 years IMO

He was a great manager but I reckon he's lost the plot and has become far too conservative.

Although if we win the EPL this year I never said that...

[Bornadog]

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He was a great manager but I reckon he's lost the plot and has become far too conservative.

Although if we win the EPL this year I never said that...

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