Our best test bowling attack (when fit)

[bulldogtragic]

So Cummins is back, Pattinson is getting a base of continuity behind him, Starc should be back by the end of the year. Hazlewood is a gun, Bird has done everything asked of him and looked great, Lyon is GOAT. There's young bowlers coming through too.

Assuming we play four bowlers, assuming everyone is fit and in relative form, what's our best line up look like? On normal pitches do we play 3 quicks, or 4? With three out and out potentially gun quicks, two who can make some runs, will that finally put the all rounder thing to bed?

Mine: Starc, Cummins, Lyon, Hazlewood. Pattinson (12th man), Bird (13th man), SoK, Agar & Swepson next spinners in line.

[GVGjr]

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Hard to mount an argument against that BT.
I think we have a few more of the quick bowlers that might force their way into the discussion in time as well.

Sayers, Behrendorff and Mangin have been very impressive at the Shield level and Coulter-Nile was around the mark before he was injured.

[bulldogtragic]

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Hard to mount an argument against that BT.
I think we have a few more of the quick bowlers that might force their way into the discussion in time as well.

Sayers, Behrendorff and Mangin have been very impressive at the Shield level and Coulter-Nile was around the mark before he was injured.

I'd really like Pattinson in there, but I can't see us going 4 quicks ala the Windies in their hay day. The other youngster is Stanlake who with development looks likely. So there's good stocks of quicks and spinners.

Surely if there's three excellent quicks, we don't need to play a medium pacer all rounder at 6. Surely??

[lemmon]

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I'd really like Pattinson in there, but I can't see us going 4 quicks ala the Windies in their hay day. The other youngster is Stanlake who with development looks likely. So there's good stocks of quicks and spinners.

Surely if there's three excellent quicks, we don't need to play a medium pacer all rounder at 6. Surely??

It's funny, I think a bowler in the Shane Watson mould would complement the Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins trio massively. Just that guy who bowls wicket to wicket maidens and threatens the front pad or outside edge with some gentle swing. It's uncanny how often they break a partnership that has seen off the scarey stuff.

Problem is we don't have one that is good enough to bat in the top 6.

[1eyedog]

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For the past five years we've dreamt of Cummins and Pattinson playing in the same team now we have a selection dilemma with the development of Hazelwood. Cummins and Pattinson though have the Thompson / Lillee feel about them and I'd like to get them on at the same time, or at least on with Starc for variety. Is there too much sameness about them though?

[Remi Moses]

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Queensland are 7/21 and Pattinson has 5/6!

[bulldogtragic]

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Edit, make that: Cummins currently with 11 test wickets at 15.45 and a strike rate of 36.18. Hope he can stay fit, and Patto with 5/7 today.

Cummins: 11 at 15.45, SR 36.18 ---- Batting: 15.66 (domestic)
Starc: 148 at 28.36, SR 49.7 ---- Batting: 24.81
Hazlewood: 117 at 24.68, SR 52.55 ---- Batting: 14.28
Pattinson: 70 at 26.16, SR 46.84 ---- Batting: 27.67
Bird: 34 at 27.5, SR 51.59 ---- Batting: 19.5

Lyon: 241 at 33.49, SR 63.19 ---- Batting: 12.62

If our batsman could handle enough part time spin on flat wickets, ultra swinging conditions or green seemers; Smith, Warner & Big Show. I wonder if selectors would think about a four man quick team?

[GVGjr]

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Our first match against England in the 2017/17 campaign is at the Gabba and I wonder if anyone would like to predict now the 4 bowlers who will play for us? Could Lyon be dropped in favour of a 4th quick?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Our first match against England in the 2017/17 campaign is at the Gabba and I wonder if anyone would like to predict now the 4 bowlers who will play for us? Could Lyon be dropped in favour of a 4th quick?

I'd hope not. Especially not at the GABBA. Having seen Lyon first hand there, he extracts a lot of bounce there, and has bowled some nice spells there.
I'd be inclined to go with Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon. If we had a genuine keeper batsman ala Gilchrist or Haddin, I'd be almost tempted to go 5 batsman, keeper and then include Pattinson. But that's not an option so I think having a genuine number 6 batsman is more crucial than a 4th paceman.

[Ozza]

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Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins - plus Lyon - for me are currently the clear pick as an attack of 4.
Personally, I'd have Chad Sayers as next in line. He could be one that bowls exceptionally well in English conditions when we are next there, and he is clearly the form State cricketer.

[lemmon]

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I agree that it's Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc with Lyon. My only concern is that isn't really a 'holder' there. Three very good quicks, still need to see how they complement each other

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Anyone else read Cameron White's comments regarding Pattinson? He basically said that his batting had improved to the extent that Australia should look to move Wade up to number 6, pick Pattinson as a number 7, allowing then Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood and Lyon to all play in the side.

That's a bold plan, considering how fragile our batting lineup is outside of the consistency of Smith.
I'd be less reticent towards his idea if we still had a gloveman of the rare ilk of Gilchrist or even Haddin who could reliably perform in the number 6 role.
the thought of having 4 world class paceman plus the versatility of Lyon's off spin is a tantalising prospect.
Do we have any young glovemen in the country who have serious claims to being of number 6 quality at the international level on a consistent basis?

[bulldogtragic]

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I didn't see that, but if he's got claim to be a genuine all rounder then surely the selectors will be all over that*


If enough media pressure precludes them to leave Mitch Marsh out.

[hujsh]

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I didn't see that, but if he's got claim to be a genuine all rounder then surely the selectors will be all over that*


If enough media pressure precludes them to leave Mitch Marsh out.

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