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  • lemmon
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    • Nov 2008
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    Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

    There's been a heap of media this week about the nearing retirements of players that have been stalwarts of the Australian cricket side for the past decade or so - Warner, Smith and Khawaja have all spoken openly about how they don't have too much time left at the top level of the game.

    Starc and Hazlewood are also starting to come to the end of a fast bowler's shelf life at 32 and 31 respectively and Nathan Lyon is about to turn 35. I've been thinking about this for a while: how differently Australia's test side might look in 24 months, and I think we're woefully unprepared.

    My concern is how few of the next in line have been exposed to international cricket. The pathway was traditionally to get promising guys around the ODI side (Michael Clarke, Mitchell Johnson, Shane Watson, Andrew Symonds) so they had some exposure to international cricket before they were bedded into the test team, but we haven't seen that for a while.

    I'd have really liked to see a few guys like Jhye Richardson, Josh Inglis, Matt Renshaw, Pete Handscomb, Marcus Harris, Mark Steketee and Aaron Hardie playing some ODI cricket this summer so that we can see how they fair against international quality players. The're great players at domestic level, the question is - can you do it against international batsman and international bowlers?

    I'm not advocating for them all playing, but I'm saying that we need to use these opportunities to take a closer look at how they fair at international level, as well as start to get promising youngsters used to the big lights of international cricket.

    I found it incredibly odd that we played a full-strength one-day team against Zimbabwe and New Zealand to start the summer - and then the players came out and said they were tired BEFORE we'd even got to the T20 World Cup. And now immediately after the World Cup, we're rolling out a full-strength one-day side again.

    We know that David Warner, Steve Smith and Marnus can score international runs against Chris Woakes and David Willey - I don't know if Harris, Renshaw and Handscomb can, so why do the selectors refuse to use series that are largely meaningless to take a look?

    We know that Starc and Hazlewood are excellent international bowlers - meanwhile, 28-year-old Mark Steketee is having an incredible domestic season - why don't we see how we does against international batsman?

    I think there's been a big lack of forward planning in selection and it's going to come back to bite us.
  • FrediKanoute
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    • Aug 2007
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    #2
    Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

    We will lose the Ashes in England this summer. That will be the catalyst. I expect Marnus and Smith to make runs, but I worry who will support them. Head is solid but shakey at times and has never really played a good knock in England. Green I think will have a break out Summer and hopefully kick on in the Ashes, but is an unknown quantity. I can't see either Warner or Khawaja making runs in England.

    Bowling wise, Cummins and Hazelwood should be fine. Starc will havea good game, but is too loose and goes for runs on short boundaries and slow pitches. Boland looms as a key weapon and we should be looking to really get games into him.

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    • lemmon
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      Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

      Originally posted by FrediKanoute
      We will lose the Ashes in England this summer. That will be the catalyst. I expect Marnus and Smith to make runs, but I worry who will support them. Head is solid but shakey at times and has never really played a good knock in England. Green I think will have a break out Summer and hopefully kick on in the Ashes, but is an unknown quantity. I can't see either Warner or Khawaja making runs in England.

      Bowling wise, Cummins and Hazelwood should be fine. Starc will havea good game, but is too loose and goes for runs on short boundaries and slow pitches. Boland looms as a key weapon and we should be looking to really get games into him.
      I agree that England should start favourites and that it'll be the catalyst for a few of the older guys to finish up.

      I'm not even sure Warner will tour England - I get the feeling he may finish up after our home summer rather than end his career in England where he's struggled.

      Head's overseas record is real worry and I think Marnus' record flatters him as a player at the moment.

      Lyon is an interesting one. There are patches where he's really starting to look quite benign and then will pop up with a big 5-fer to ease any selection pressure on him. I'm not convinced Swepson is an international cricketer and the cupboard looks bare after that. I do like Tanveer Sangha but he's not even close to ready yet.

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      • GVGjr
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        • Nov 2006
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        The transition players from my perspective are Hunt and Renshaw at the top of the order, Handscomb in the middle and Inglis as the keeper. Hardie could be an exciting allrounder and we have the likes of Stekete Richardson and Morris as quicks
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        • Bornadog
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          • Jan 2007
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          Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

          Originally posted by lemmon
          I agree that England should start favourites and that it'll be the catalyst for a few of the older guys to finish up.

          I'm not even sure Warner will tour England - I get the feeling he may finish up after our home summer rather than end his career in England where he's struggled.

          Head's overseas record is real worry and I think Marnus' record flatters him as a player at the moment.

          Lyon is an interesting one. There are patches where he's really starting to look quite benign and then will pop up with a big 5-fer to ease any selection pressure on him. I'm not convinced Swepson is an international cricketer and the cupboard looks bare after that. I do like Tanveer Sangha but he's not even close to ready yet.
          I would not pick Warner at all
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          • GVGjr
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            • Nov 2006
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            Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

            Originally posted by bornadog
            I would not pick Warner at all
            Why is that BAD? Who are you replacing him with?
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            • Grantysghost
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              • Apr 2010
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              #7
              Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

              Originally posted by bornadog
              I would not pick Warner at all
              But he looks so crisp and clear cheating and whinging on my LG OLED in 4k.
              BT COME BACK!​

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              • Jasper
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2009
                • 1327

                #8
                Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                Originally posted by bornadog
                I would not pick Warner at all
                On form or something else?
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                • lemmon
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                  #9
                  Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  The transition players from my perspective are Hunt and Renshaw at the top of the order, Handscomb in the middle and Inglis as the keeper. Hardie could be an exciting allrounder and we have the likes of Stekete Richardson and Morris as quicks
                  Agree with those names, think they're all the next cabs off the rank. My question is more about why we're not getting them around the Australian group when the opportunity presents?

                  Inglis is a good example - should Carey break a finger on Christmas day, is Inglis going to be more prepared for Boxing Day facing Rabada having batted at 4 in this ODI series instead of a Steve Smith, or making a gorgeous 85 to win the game for WA in front of no one as he did last night?

                  There's a lot of 'filler' cricket this summer that would've been a good opportunity to start to get solid experience into the guys that are the next cabs off the rank.

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                  • Jasper
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                    • Jan 2009
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                    #10
                    Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                    Originally posted by lemmon
                    I agree that England should start favourites and that it'll be the catalyst for a few of the older guys to finish up.

                    I'm not even sure Warner will tour England - I get the feeling he may finish up after our home summer rather than end his career in England where he's struggled.

                    Head's overseas record is real worry and I think Marnus' record flatters him as a player at the moment.

                    Lyon is an interesting one. There are patches where he's really starting to look quite benign and then will pop up with a big 5-fer to ease any selection pressure on him. I'm not convinced Swepson is an international cricketer and the cupboard looks bare after that. I do like Tanveer Sangha but he's not even close to ready yet.
                    This is a cross roads year for Marnus Labuschagne. He isnt working as hard to protect his wicket like he used to. Head is just an average cricketer. We need to have a few in reserve because one injury and one loss of form will test our batting depth.
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                    • Bornadog
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                      • Jan 2007
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                      Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      Why is that BAD? Who are you replacing him with?
                      Originally posted by Jasper
                      On form or something else?
                      He has failed on English wickets so many times that it is now a risk to play him over there.
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                      • GVGjr
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                        • Nov 2006
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                        #12
                        Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        He has failed on English wickets so many times that it is now a risk to play him over there.
                        So are you wanting him dropped now or when we play England and which contenders would you replace him with?
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                        • Grantysghost
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                          • Apr 2010
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                          #13
                          Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                          Looked up the shield averages, it's the same old names up there at the pointy ends granted only 4 games.

                          Anyone have any intel on Whiteman. That's one name I didn't know.
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • GVGjr
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                            • Nov 2006
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                            #14
                            Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                            Originally posted by Grantysghost
                            Looked up the shield averages, it's the same old names up there at the pointy ends granted only 4 games.

                            Anyone have any intel on Whiteman. That's one name I didn't know.
                            He was previously a very good keeper batsman but got finger injuries from memory. Missed a couple of years but is now now back as a top order batsman. I'm not sure if he could press for Test honors.
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                            • Bornadog
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                              • Jan 2007
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                              #15
                              Re: Australia's test side - Are we ready for the changes that are coming?

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              So are you wanting him dropped now or when we play England and which contenders would you replace him with?
                              I think as Lemmon mentioned, probably after the Summer season.

                              For a replacement, I want to see how players perform in the Shield.

                              Last time in England Warner was a disaster.

                              Played In Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS Runs Avg S/R Ca St
                              Australia 50 87 7 18 14 4 335* 4824 60.30 73.27 40 0
                              Bangladesh 2 4 0 2 0 0 123 251 62.75 63.22 3 0
                              England and Wales 13 25 0 0 7 4 85 651 26.04 67.04 14 0
                              India 8 16 0 0 3 1 71 388 24.25 55.75 6 0
                              New Zealand 2 3 0 0 0 0 22 39 13.00 62.90 2 0
                              Pakistan 3 5 0 0 2 0 68 169 33.80 59.93 0 0
                              South Africa 6 12 0 3 4 0 145 760 63.33 80.68 3 0
                              Sri Lanka 5 10 1 0 1 1 68 227 25.22 84.39 3 0
                              United Arab Emirates 2 4 0 1 1 0 133 239 59.75 78.62 1 0
                              West Indies 5 10 0 0 2 1 62 269 26.90 58.86 5 0
                              Overall (10) 96 176 8 24 34 11 335* 7817 46.53 71.30 77 0
                              His average overseas is not good and only averages 26 in UK
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