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  • FrediKanoute
    Coaching Staff
    • Aug 2007
    • 3826

    The Wallabies

    Appreciate most on here don't follow much rugby. To be fair I didn't until I moved abroad. The Wallaby performance at this world cup in France has been abysmal. Whilst there have been calls for Eddie Jones to step down (along with some foul mouthed rants from ex-players), I don't see this as being entirely EJ's fault. He inherited a team with problems from a guy who inherited a team with problems. To fix that in 7 games was optimistic, delusional and ultimately unachievable.

    Yep EJ needs to stand by some of his decisions. not taking Hooper, Cooper and Foley is probably the biggest error people point to, but Hooper has had a series of mental health issues over the last couple of years that have forced him to step away, Cooper was hardly flavour of month with either of the last 2 managers and Foley, has a big mouth, but isn't really in the same class as number 10's across the world. Giving 3 kids the opportunity to be part of a WC Squad and play games in the best rugby competition in the world is an investment for the future. Connor Gordon hasn't set the world alight, but hopefully will be much better for the experience and his upside is far far far greater than either Foley or Cooper.

    The poor showing against both Fiji and then Wales comes down to the same problems that have plagued the team for a while now.
    Handling errors - the amount of fumbles and knock ons when in good attacking positions is heartbreaking. Like Jamarra missing from the top of square in some cases.
    Poor On Field Tactical Decisions - consistently the team makes poor decisions. This was most evident when they elected to kick for the corner with the score at 10-6 rather than take the 3 points on offer and keep the scoreboard pressure on Wales. If you talk about a moment that and what followed was it.
    Inability to execute set pieces - Poreci, the Hooker and captain completely cocked up the throw in missing the entire Australian line allowing the ball to be claimed by Wales who kick for territory. The game flipped at that point
    Senior Players Making Mistakes and giving Away Penalties - how often do you see a team in rugby score 40 points, but run in only 3 tries. Wales scored 19 points from tires/conversions (3 x Tries & 2 x Conversions). Of the other 21, 18 were from penalties - that is poor and its not the young players making the mistakes.

    Yes EJ should come in for criticism, but this is a burden the players need to stand up and take. It is a changing of the guard in Australian rugby and I have to say the sooner we see the backs of the current batch the better.
  • mjp
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7363

    #2
    Re: The Wallabies

    No one plays any more Fredi.

    Sport is a battle for athletes and the Union boys are getting smoked. The kids aren't playing mate. The standard of competition at junior level is poor...the NRL clubs have academies, the AFL clubs in the northern states are stealing the players whose mums don't want them playing rugby league against 100kg 13 year olds from Western Samoa (absolutely a thing) and, well...that's where it's at.

    The magnitude of the loss to Wales was a touch surprising I guess but the loss was not.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    • FrediKanoute
      Coaching Staff
      • Aug 2007
      • 3826

      #3
      Re: The Wallabies

      Originally posted by mjp
      No one plays any more Fredi.

      Sport is a battle for athletes and the Union boys are getting smoked. The kids aren't playing mate. The standard of competition at junior level is poor...the NRL clubs have academies, the AFL clubs in the northern states are stealing the players whose mums don't want them playing rugby league against 100kg 13 year olds from Western Samoa (absolutely a thing) and, well...that's where it's at.

      The magnitude of the loss to Wales was a touch surprising I guess but the loss was not.
      Bang on! That is Union's problem in Australia (and to a lesser extent England). The pool is small and in the key rugby states of QLD an NSW the competition for talent is hot and is being won by AFL and NRL. The path is clearer, opportunities greater and $$$$ better.

      The ARU has been asleep at h wheel. Basking the past glories for he last 20 years and not seeing the incursion he AFL and NRL have had on their traditional markets. They haven't invested in the grass roots of the game or created a talent pathway that is broad enough. They have focused on raiding pacific island nations, which is great to add top end talent to you team, but you need a strong core of homegrown talent.

      Rugby is actually a pretty easy game to learn. Former Australian lock Justin Harrison picked the game up as a 1st year university student in Lismore. The pathways they develop don't need to be junior academies at age of 8, but looking at your kids falling out of AFL programs at the age of 14/15 who have physiques suited to rugby - strong lower bodies and cores.

      Their other big, big mistake was removing the Perth based Union side in favour of Melbourne. Melbourne didn't need a Union team - its a very crowded sporting scene, but Perth with its large Saffa and Brit immigrant population is an ideal base.

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44634

        #4
        Re: The Wallabies

        I really enjoy rugby and tend to agree with you Fredi that EJ could be the right man to lead the Wallabies going forward but he is doing a piss poor job at managing the media and this will tighten the noose around his neck if he doesn't adjust.

        I think he wants to take the team in another direction and it's going to take some time to achieve that.
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • FrediKanoute
          Coaching Staff
          • Aug 2007
          • 3826

          #5
          Re: The Wallabies

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          I really enjoy rugby and tend to agree with you Fredi that EJ could be the right man to lead the Wallabies going forward but he is doing a piss poor job at managing the media and this will tighten the noose around his neck if he doesn't adjust.

          I think he wants to take the team in another direction and it's going to take some time to achieve that.
          He has always been a P*ss poor media manager. I was at a pre-RWC event in London a couple of weeks back with ex-England internationals Mike Tyndall and James Haskell. Haskell played under Eddie and said he was the BEST rugby coach he had ever had. He is a guy who lives breathes and Sh*ts rugby.

          The sniping form the media is coming largely from ex-players - Drew Mitchell especially. The tabloid media like the SMH and Courier Mail are right into him and its all largely personal and bullsh*t. Wonder who leaked a phone call between EJ and Japan and why? What was the agenda? It could be that EJ took a call as ex-England manager to give Japan tactical information given they were in the English group. He is a polarising figure.

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44634

            #6
            Re: The Wallabies

            Shocking performance by Eddie with his resignation and departure from the Wallabies. He's left the code in an exceptionally poor position. I hope Japan have a rethink about him being the right man for them.
            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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            • Sedat
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2007
              • 11245

              #7
              Re: The Wallabies

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              Shocking performance by Eddie with his resignation and departure from the Wallabies.
              He was cooked the minute Peter FitzSimons lauded his appointment. There's no bigger kiss of death than old Red Pirate giving you an endorsement.
              Last edited by Sedat; 30-10-2023, 03:59 PM.
              "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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              • Dogs 24/7
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2007
                • 1196

                #8
                Re: The Wallabies

                Hes supposed to be a good coach but he cant be trusted with anything he says. He went to South Africa to coach the Stormers I think and when the media there kept asking him if he had interviewed the England coaching job he flat out denied it and then two weeks later he had the job. I hope he hasnt received much of a pay out from RL Australia.

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                • FrediKanoute
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3826

                  #9
                  Re: The Wallabies

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  Shocking performance by Eddie with his resignation and departure from the Wallabies. He's left the code in an exceptionally poor position. I hope Japan have a rethink about him being the right man for them.
                  I'm disappointed that he's left, but he hasn't left the code anywhere worse than it was when he took over. Union in Australia has been in decline for 20 years. 2023 was the peak low point and Eddie just happened to be in charge. In some ways I am thankful that he did what he did as it will hopefully push people towards a re-think about where Union is at and what needs to change.

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                  • FrediKanoute
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3826

                    #10
                    Re: The Wallabies

                    Originally posted by Dogs 24/7
                    Hes supposed to be a good coach but he cant be trusted with anything he says. He went to South Africa to coach the Stormers I think and when the media there kept asking him if he had interviewed the England coaching job he flat out denied it and then two weeks later he had the job. I hope he hasnt received much of a pay out from RL Australia.
                    He had a 5 year deal - there will be a pay out of some sorts

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                    • Bulldog Joe
                      Premiership Moderator
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5567

                      #11
                      Re: The Wallabies

                      Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                      He had a 5 year deal - there will be a pay out of some sorts
                      Should there be a payout?

                      Was it forced or his decision?

                      Surely there was some sort of performance clause in the contract.
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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27654

                        #12
                        Re: The Wallabies

                        Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                        Should there be a payout?

                        Was it forced or his decision?

                        Surely there was some sort of performance clause in the contract.
                        Jones left but he said that Rugby Australia hadn't provided the back up they had committed themselves to provide.
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • FrediKanoute
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3826

                          #13
                          Re: The Wallabies

                          I don't know but it doesn't sound like great decision making all round.

                          - Sack Rennie less than 12 months out from a World Cup;
                          - Appoint Jones on a 5 year deal;
                          - Proceed to lose all your warm up games, Bledisloe games etc;
                          - Adopt a youth policy;
                          - Get beat by Fiji;
                          - head coach reportedly has meeting with Japan Rugby re taking on the head coach role
                          - Get smashed by Wales;
                          - Miss out on the knock out stages of a World Cup;
                          - jones indicates he wants to stay and honour the contract and help rebuild Australian rugby;
                          - Jones resigns.

                          Who knows what is going on really, but what has been reported is only part of the story!

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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27654

                            #14
                            Re: The Wallabies

                            Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                            I don't know but it doesn't sound like great decision making all round.

                            - Sack Rennie less than 12 months out from a World Cup;
                            - Appoint Jones on a 5 year deal;
                            - Proceed to lose all your warm up games, Bledisloe games etc;
                            - Adopt a youth policy;
                            - Get beat by Fiji;
                            - head coach reportedly has meeting with Japan Rugby re taking on the head coach role
                            - Get smashed by Wales;
                            - Miss out on the knock out stages of a World Cup;
                            - jones indicates he wants to stay and honour the contract and help rebuild Australian rugby;
                            - Jones resigns.

                            Who knows what is going on really, but what has been reported is only part of the story!
                            When you lay it out like that I can't see how that plan failed.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                            • FrediKanoute
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 3826

                              #15
                              Re: The Wallabies

                              Originally posted by Twodogs
                              When you lay it out like that I can't see how that plan failed.
                              Someone must have signed off on Jones' approach otherwise why give him 5 years? If they didn't discuss an approach then the administrators are negligent. If they did discuss and approved the approach then they are cowards.

                              I can't see how a professional sports organisation would allow a head coach to adopt a youth policy without some tacit agreement to the approach.

                              I think he's been shafted!

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