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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 66700

    #31
    Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    I fully agree that this is an ageing side that would probably benefit from an injection of some younger players but it's also a successful side so we have an almost Geelong challenge where we need to see how much more we can get out of this group.
    Is that by picking a youngster or specialist opener?

    If Smith goes to the top of the order then Green is probably best placed to come in and bat at 4 but I'm not sure Green should open at the expense of Bancroft or one of the other specialist openers.
    I agree with your assessment. My gut feel is they will put Green in.

    Can Marnus go in as an opener?
    Last edited by Bornadog; 09-01-2024, 04:21 PM.
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    • Axe Man
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2008
      • 11159

      #32
      Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

      Originally posted by bornadog
      I agree with your assessment. My gut feel is they will put Green in.

      Can Marcus go in as an opener?
      Bont can do anything.

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44634

        #33
        Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

        Originally posted by bornadog
        I agree with your assessment. My gut feel is they will put Green in.

        Can Marcus go in as an opener?
        Harris? He's been in and around the team for a long time but in 26 innings he has a high score of just 79 and a batting average of 25 at the test level. That's hardly a compelling argument for his selection but his shield performances indicates he's close to the mark.
        Bancoft shield performances are roughly in line with that but Harris would likely have Cummins vote if it came to that.
        Renshaw is the better prospect but just hasn't grasped his chances.
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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66700

          #34
          Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

          Originally posted by Axe Man
          Bont can do anything.
          He could I bet

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          Harris? He's been in and around the team for a long time but in 26 innings he has a high score of just 79 and a batting average of 25 at the test level. That's hardly a compelling argument for his selection but his shield performances indicates he's close to the mark.
          Bancoft shield performances are roughly in line with that but Harris would likely have Cummins vote if it came to that.
          Renshaw is the better prospect but just hasn't grasped his chances.
          Sorry typo, I meant Marnus Labuschagne

          I think Harris is not up to it.
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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44634

            #35
            Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

            Originally posted by bornadog
            He could I bet



            Sorry typo, I meant Marnus Labuschagne

            I think Harris is not up to it.
            Labuschagne is on record as saying he doesn't want to open so that should mean we can't consider that option.
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            • mighty_west
              Coaching Staff
              • Feb 2008
              • 3438

              #36
              Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              Harris? He's been in and around the team for a long time but in 26 innings he has a high score of just 79 and a batting average of 25 at the test level. That's hardly a compelling argument for his selection but his shield performances indicates he's close to the mark.
              Bancoft shield performances are roughly in line with that but Harris would likely have Cummins vote if it came to that.
              Renshaw is the better prospect but just hasn't grasped his chances.
              In order of preference i'd go Bancroft then Renshaw followed my Harris, in fact i'd push back Renshaw and Harris to the side and have Bancroft as the obvious choice, he has the form and really deserves a shot, either way the team injects a younger player in whether it's Green at 4 or Bancroft opening which would be my preferred option although as i've said i'm warming to Smith opening up and now sounds like that is what will happen.

              Gerard Whateley mentioned on SEN yesterday that he would like to see Lance Morris given a run v West Indies and give Hazelwood and Starc a rest in one game each, although i'm not a fan what so ever of resting players, i must admit i'd like to see this happen.

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              • Sedat
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2007
                • 11245

                #37
                Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                Harris? He's been in and around the team for a long time but in 26 innings he has a high score of just 79 and a batting average of 25 at the test level. That's hardly a compelling argument for his selection but his shield performances indicates he's close to the mark.
                Harris is a bigger nicker than Norman Gunston. Shield is his level.

                Renshaw needs to buckle down and score big as opener at Shield level for a good 12 months. Long term he is a shot but he needs to earn it through performance - I did feel sorry for him being thrown to the wolves on those Indian dust bowls in the middle order.

                Bancroft is the obvious candidate right now, but it's a moot point because hell will freeze over before he ever gets another chance at test level.
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                • Axe Man
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                  • Nov 2008
                  • 11159

                  #38
                  Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                  Originally posted by mighty_west
                  In order of preference i'd go Bancroft then Renshaw followed my Harris, in fact i'd push back Renshaw and Harris to the side and have Bancroft as the obvious choice, he has the form and really deserves a shot, either way the team injects a younger player in whether it's Green at 4 or Bancroft opening which would be my preferred option although as i've said i'm warming to Smith opening up and now sounds like that is what will happen.

                  Gerard Whateley mentioned on SEN yesterday that he would like to see Lance Morris given a run v West Indies and give Hazelwood and Starc a rest in one game each, although i'm not a fan what so ever of resting players, i must admit i'd like to see this happen.
                  Not sure Bancroft qualifies as a younger player at 31. By no means is he too old to get a shot but it doesn't do much to lower the teams average age.

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                  • mighty_west
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3438

                    #39
                    Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                    Originally posted by Axe Man
                    Not sure Bancroft qualifies as a younger player at 31. By no means is he too old to get a shot but it doesn't do much to lower the teams average age.
                    Well he's certainty younger than me, and i think it's actually a good age to come in as he's had enough experience to now come in and cement that position at the top of the order to play alongside Usman, so by the time he retires Bancroft becomes the senior opener with someone else taking Khawaja's position but still have quite a few years ahead of him.

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44634

                      #40
                      Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                      Australia Test squad vs. West Indies: Cameron Green to return, Steve Smith likely opener, Matt Renshaw wins squad spot

                      Marnus Labuschagne says a proposed elevation of Steve Smith to allow Cam Green to return is exactly what the team needs and could prolong the career of the former Test skipper.

                      Marnus Labuschagne believes proposed batting promotions for Cameron Green and Steve Smith could be the “perfect scenario’’ for Australia and keep Smith in the game for three more years.

                      This masthead revealed Green is poised to be recalled to Australia’s Test side in place of the retired David Warner for next week’s first Test against the West Indies in Adelaide.

                      Queensland’s Matt Renshaw is also set for a recall but is likely to be consigned to the role of reserve batsman.

                      Australia is leaning towards batting Green at his preferred place at No 4 and granting Smith his surprise wish to open the batting though no confirmation is expected when the team is named on Wednesday.

                      The proposed switch of Smith from No 4 to opener has divided the cricket world with the likes of Matt Hayden, Merv Hughes and Ricky Ponting strongly opposing it but Michael Clarke lauding it as a shrewd move which could see Smith become one of the world’s finest openers.

                      Labuschagne, who would bat between Smith and Green at three, feels such a move would benefit both players and team.

                      “If Steve does get the nod from Pat (Cummins) and the selectors and the coaches I’ve got no doubt that he would do a good job,’’ said Labuschagne, who will join Usman Khawaja in playing for the Brisbane Heat against the Perth Scorchers at the Gabba in the Big Bash on Wednesday night.

                      “I think his (Smith’s) desire is that he’s excited for a new challenge. If that motivates him and that gets the cricket world Steve Smith for another three years I think that is a massive win.

                      “So if that is the way they go, I’m sure he’s going to do a good job. And if they don’t they don’t he averages 63 at number four so that is pretty good as well.

                      “It looks like the perfect scenario. When he was captain he liked a little bit more time from being in the field to getting out there. But I think he is ready to get out there from the start now.’’

                      Smith would be united at the top of the order with Usman Khawaja, who, significantly, has been his most productive Test match batting partner with the duo sharing 10 century stands, four more than Khawaja had with David Warner.

                      Labuschagne feels Green would revel at No 4 where he averages better than 60 for Western Australia in the Sheffield Shield.

                      “Obviously Cameron Green’s record at No 4 four Western Australia is amazing. Obviously that is not a direct correlation to Test cricket but I think (you would be) pretty confident over a period of time he’s going to be a very good player in that position.’’

                      “I’ve seen him get three hundreds (at four) at the Gabba in Shield cricket. He has a really nice even temperament. He is a very good decision maker, especially for a guy who is over two metres tall.

                      “He has a sound technique and a great defence. That’s the versatility you need at four. Someone who can play different scenarios. (He) knows when to push the button and knows when to hold back.

                      “We have seen him play in England and manage extensive periods of short pitched bowling. I’m sure that if he goes down that oath he can manage those different scenarios.’’

                      Asked whether, if the selectors went down the Smith-Green route it was a slap in the face for the credibility of the Sheffield Shield competition Labuschagne pointed out that Green averaged over 50 in Shield cricket.

                      Cameron Green is set to return to the Australian Test team with Steve Smith firming to fill David Warner’s spot at the top of the order.

                      This masthead understands all-rounder Green will be chosen in Australia’s squad for next week’s first Test against the West Indies in Adelaide.

                      The gifted 24-year-old was squeezed out of the team due to the career-best form of Mitchell Marsh but Warner’s retirement has given the selectors a vehicle to get him back into the team.

                      It is believed when the selectors announce the team tomorrow they may not nominate their batting order but Smith is favourite to replace Warner, who has retired from Tests after the Sydney five-dayer against Pakistan.

                      Smith was no-one’s choice to replace Warner a few weeks ago but the former captain’s decision to declare his willingness to fill the role has influenced the selectors thoughts, particularly after most of his middle order rivals showed no interest in being promoted.

                      If Smith opens Green can bat at number four, his favoured position.

                      Matt Renshaw is set to be included in Australia’s Test squad for the series against the West Indies but looks likely to be consigned to the role of spare batter.

                      Renshaw’s versatility is understood to have helped him beat Cameron Bancroft and Marcus Harris of the three primary specialist openers who were pushing to face the Windies.
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                      • jeemak
                        Bulldog Legend
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 21825

                        #41
                        Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                        Originally posted by chef
                        I dont follow cricket as closely as i used too as its such an likeable team, but why is Bancroft on the outer and Warner a national hero?
                        Sydney versus everyone else.

                        The city is becoming so irrelevant the only thing that it has left is a diminishing TV presence. Thus Candice and Davey Warner.......
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                        • lemmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 6521

                          #42
                          Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                          The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Smith at the top of the order. It feels like he's been battling for motivation for a while, he's done it all in the game and there's just a feeling that he needs a new challenge. I also think that when Smith walks to the wicket, opposition captains put in 'Steve Smith' fields - blocking off one side of the ground, bowling tight lines and making him create scoring opportunities.

                          I think Smith at the top gives him the chance to get out of a rut and also means he starts his innings against orthodox, attacking fields. He can be a bit of a knicker, which will be the challenge with some extra bounce against the new ball, but you could poke holes in the game of everyone vying for that opening spot.

                          If we can get an extra 3 years of Steve Smith averaging 45 opening the batting, while integrating Green and making him a pillar of the side, I think it's as good an outcome as you could hope for. I wonder if the alternative spoken about behind the scenes was Steve Smith retiring earlier than we'd all have liked.

                          I don't think it's necessarily a question of Steve Smith's runs at 4 versus Steve Smith's runs at 1. I think it's more about extending Steve Smith's time at international level while also bedding a generational talent into the side.

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18959

                            #43
                            Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                            Opening is a very different role.

                            Supposed to protect the best batsmen at 3.
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 44634

                              #44
                              Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                              Originally posted by Grantysghost
                              Opening is a very different role.

                              Supposed to protect the best batsmen at 3.
                              I guess we've reduced the specialist components of our tests teams by one. No longer is an openers spot a specialist position in our selectors eyes.
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                              • lemmon
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 6521

                                #45
                                Re: 2023/24 - Australia Summer of Cricket

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                I guess we've reduced the specialist components of our tests teams by one. No longer is an openers spot a specialist position in our selectors eyes.
                                Hasn't it always been circumstantial? Khawaja, Watson, S Marsh, Katich, Langer, David Boon - even all the way back to Bob Simpson.

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