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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44676

    Test Selection

    I'm concerned about the thoughts of playing both Symonds and Watson in the same side even if Clarke is available. We cannot go into tests with just 3 genuine strike bowlers.

    Symonds and Watson create selection poser

    Cricinfo

    November 15, 2008


    Shane Watson had success with the ball in India but he might yet lose his spot for the first Test against New Zealand © Getty Images


    Australia should consider playing both Andrew Symonds and Shane Watson in the first Test against New Zealand, according to the former captain Steve Waugh. The idea has also won qualified support from Michael Hussey, who believes Watson can do the job as the third fast bowler provided he does not have to send down so many overs that his injury-prone body is in danger of breaking down.

    Symonds has been Australia's regular Test No. 6 in the past couple of years and Watson took on the role during the recent tour of India. Both men have been named in the 13-man squad for the Gabba Test, which starts on Thursday, and Waugh said it should not be assumed that one of them would miss out.

    "It's a difficult choice," Waugh told the Weekend Australian. "But Watson did very well [in India] and he might come in as a third quick. I think Australia would like to have both those players in the team if they can."

    Symonds has struggled for batting form at first-class level but in his first match back in Australian colours, in the Twenty20 game against the All-Stars on Friday, he struck 45 from 35 balls. Ricky Ponting, Australia's captain, believes Symonds is one of those players who lift at the highest level.

    "It is the same with a lot of those really talented players," Ponting said. "Michael Clarke is a good example of that, his average is probably low 40s at state level and mid 40s, 45 at Test level.

    "He's like Gilly [Adam Gilchrist], if he gets in and gets going a Test match can change very, very quickly. You almost need that sort of player in that one to six role, he's good at batting with the tail, you know he can clear the fence in that situation and keep the scoreboard ticking over."

    But if Symonds does regain his No. 6 position it creates a question for the selectors on whether to include Watson as well, and if so, who misses out. Jason Krejza would be desperately unlucky to be dropped after taking 12 wickets on debut and Stuart Clark, although he did not play in Nagpur, would be a valuable member of the attack at the Gabba.

    Using Watson as the third seamer and batting him at No. 7 would be a bold move but his bowling form in India was impressive and he was Australia's third leading wicket taker with ten victims. But Watson is enjoying a rare injury-free year after his past few seasons have been constantly interrupted by fitness concerns, particularly hamstring problems, and Hussey hopes Watson is not asked to compromise his body with too great a workload.

    "His bowling is very under-rated, he's always had good pace," Hussey told AAP. "In the last Test he got 4 for 40 in the second innings on a pretty flat wicket where he swung the ball.

    "I think he could do a pretty good job in that role. What he's been through in the last couple of years though you wouldn't want him bowling 30-odd overs in a match, you'd rather him bowling 15-20."

    The selectors will release one member from the 13-man group on Tuesday and the final makeup of the side might not be decided until the morning of the match. Michael Clarke and Brett Lee, both of whom lost significant weight in India due to viruses, are expected to be fit for Thursday's Test.
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  • hujsh
    Hall of Fame
    • Nov 2007
    • 11844

    #2
    Re: Test Selection

    If Watson is used as one of our 4 bowlers he will break down. 4 and Watson is perfect. That leaves us with 5 proper bowlers.
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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15449

      #3
      Re: Test Selection

      Originally posted by hujsh
      If Watson is used as one of our 4 bowlers he will break down. 4 and Watson is perfect. That leaves us with 5 proper bowlers.
      He bowled first change in the 4th Test vs India and didn't break down.

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      • hujsh
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2007
        • 11844

        #4
        Re: Test Selection

        Originally posted by Mantis
        He bowled first change in the 4th Test vs India and didn't break down.
        True but long term i wouldn't feel safe with it. Would you?

        If he does it leaves us with 3 true bowlers.
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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          #5
          Re: Test Selection

          You can't read anything into what current members of the test side say about their contempories because they have to be nice to their teammates (or prospective teammates).

          Could you imagine the outcry in the media if Mike Hussey says "Symonds shouldn't be in the test side until he makes a run for Queensland"? They'd rip him to shreds.

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          • mighty_west
            Coaching Staff
            • Feb 2008
            • 3439

            #6
            Re: Test Selection

            My team for the first test.

            S.Katich
            M.Hayden
            R.Ponting
            M.Hussey
            M.Clarke
            S.Watson
            B.Haddin
            J.Krejza
            M.Johnson
            B.Lee
            S.Clark

            12th man : A.Symonds [let him carry the drinks for at least the first test]

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11844

              #7
              Re: Test Selection

              Originally posted by mighty_west
              My team for the first test.

              S.Katich
              M.Hayden
              R.Ponting
              M.Hussey
              M.Clarke
              S.Watson
              B.Haddin
              J.Krejza
              M.Johnson
              B.Lee
              S.Clark

              12th man : A.Symonds [let him carry the drinks for at least the first test]
              That would be the team I'd pick. Have players on and off the field so Symonds can field for us.
              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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              • mighty_west
                Coaching Staff
                • Feb 2008
                • 3439

                #8
                Re: Test Selection

                Originally posted by hujsh
                That would be the team I'd pick. Have players on and off the field so Symonds can field for us.
                My word, make him work his ass off.

                I have no issues with his selection into the squad, he is quality, i just don't see a spot for him right now.

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                • MrMahatma
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3966

                  #9
                  Re: Test Selection

                  Originally posted by hujsh
                  That would be the team I'd pick. Have players on and off the field so Symonds can field for us.
                  Would be a bit hypocritical of us to use a substitute fielder like that wouldn't it?

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15449

                    #10
                    Re: Test Selection

                    Originally posted by MrMahatma
                    Would be a bit hypocritical of us to use a substitute fielder like that wouldn't it?
                    It certainly would be.

                    Substitute fielder's should only come on if a player has a legitimate injury or needs a quick toilet break or running repair (replace boot's, etc..)

                    We cry foul (as we should) when other team's mis-use the role of a sub fielder so we can't be seen to be rorting the system as well.

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #11
                      Re: Test Selection

                      Krejza did a terrific job in India but he is not up to it in Australian conditions.

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15449

                        #12
                        Re: Test Selection

                        Originally posted by EJ Smith
                        Krejza did a terrific job in India but he is not up to it in Australian conditions.
                        Agree, his record in Australia is extremly poor. He only took something like 18 wickets @ 37 last season in Pura Cup games.

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                        • westdog54
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6686

                          #13
                          Re: Test Selection

                          Originally posted by MrMahatma
                          Would be a bit hypocritical of us to use a substitute fielder like that wouldn't it?
                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          It certainly would be.

                          Substitute fielder's should only come on if a player has a legitimate injury or needs a quick toilet break or running repair (replace boot's, etc..)

                          We cry foul (as we should) when other team's mis-use the role of a sub fielder so we can't be seen to be rorting the system as well.
                          I think there is a difference between bringing on the 12th man and getting someone not even on the teamsheet to field. That was the issue we had in England in 05. It wasn't the use of substitute fielders, its who they were using.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: Test Selection

                            Neither the Laws of Cricket nor the Teamsheet recognise the position of 12th man.

                            However, there is (as far as Australia is concerned) a convention that the player last omitted from the list of players nominated for consideration shall act as 12th man and substitute fielder

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                            • hujsh
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 11844

                              #15
                              Re: Test Selection

                              Originally posted by MrMahatma
                              Would be a bit hypocritical of us to use a substitute fielder like that wouldn't it?
                              I thought it was the use of random county players who were Symonds esque in their fielding instead of their 12th man
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