Watson gets a 7 for

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Sorry but get picked more for your performs in past tests than you do for your performances at sheild cricket especially if you played a few seasons.

Not sure how Watson's a test bowling avearge of 35 and a batting average of 19 is considered to be in form while Symonds with a batting avearge of 43 and slightly worse bowling average of 37 is considered to be out of form?


Again Shield form is not Test form. If that was the case Warne would have never been picked for Australia.
So in 2 tests back Symonds batting averages hasn't risen higher than 43, therefore he should be dropped for someone with a worse average!

And Bradman has a test average of 99.94, should we bring him back too?

I'm only interested in what they can bring to the team this season, the rest is ancient history.

[ledge]

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Looking at the Kiwis this series is a joke, if you cant get runs or wickets against this mob you are struggling.

[mighty_west]

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And Bradman has a test average of 99.94, should we bring him back too?

I'm only interested in what they can bring to the team this season, the rest is ancient history.

Plus given that Brett Lee's average is a touch over 30, 35 for Watson as an all rounder, is actually pretty good, but yes, and average spans over their career, not recent form.

[LostDoggy]

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And Bradman has a test average of 99.94, should we bring him back too?

I'm only interested in what they can bring to the team this season, the rest is ancient history.

Not sure what you are saying, should we automatically promote the players with the best current shield figures and forget those currently playing tests as its ancient history.
'Runs on the board' at the relevent level has to count in selecting players.
Figures from last home series is hardly ancient history either.

[ledge]

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We all know that the selectors have favourites too, no matter whether they are performing or not!

[mighty_west]

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Not sure what you are saying, should we automatically promote the players with the best current shield figures and forget those currently playing tests as its ancient history.
'Runs on the board' at the relevent level has to count in selecting players.
Figures from last home series is hardly ancient history either.

When you have two players fighting for the one position which we do have with Watson & Symonds, off course it counts very much on their form NOW.

Watson is in good shield form whilst also being in good form over in India before that for Australia, whilst Symonds struggled at both levels since coming back from being dropped for the Indian Tour.

When i say good form in India, i'm not looking completley at his averages, off course you have to take that into account, but it doesn't paint the whole picture, it doesn't show his work ethic, the overs he put in, the conditions he like all faster bowlers were up against.

Symonds was given a free pass back into the side after going "fishing", had no form for Queensland, and has done bugger all for Australia in the past 2 tests!

[GVGjr]

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Symonds was given a free pass back into the side after going "fishing", had no form for Queensland, and has done bugger all for Australia in the past 2 tests!

That's my only concern on this. He didn't appear to work his tail off after letting the side down and getting dumped, he also wasn't in great form at the Shield level and yet got straight back into the side. Obviously he has the selectors confidence but they have given him an easy ride back into the test side.

Yes he is a great player when switched on but we had plenty of other options and maybe another couple of games in the wilderness might have shocked him into focusing on the task and the team more than he ever has.

[LostDoggy]

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When you have two players fighting for the one position which we do have with Watson & Symonds, off course it counts very much on their form NOW.

Whats form now? The last home test series, Symonds did well. Bit hard to have more current test form if you aren't playing. Again shield form is not test form.

Watson is in good shield form whilst also being in good form over in India before that for Australia, whilst Symonds struggled at both levels since coming back from being dropped for the Indian Tour.

Struggled? 3 'test' innings. 2 on a green top and the 3rd he probably wasn't out.

Symonds was given a free pass back into the side after going "fishing", had no form for Queensland, and has done bugger all for Australia in the past 2 tests!

So missing a whole Indian series, when he was the best available all-rounder at the time and an important member of the side, is a free pass?

[mighty_west]

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Whats form now? The last home test series, Symonds did well. Bit hard to have more current test form if you aren't playing. Again shield form is not test form.


Struggled? 3 'test' innings. 2 on a green top and the 3rd he probably wasn't out.


So missing a whole Indian series, when he was the best available all-rounder at the time and an important member of the side, is a free pass?

A free pass is not having to work hard to get back in the side when he has competition for his position, and a player IMO earnt that spot more than he did.

Last years form is a long time ago.

Sounds like your making excuses for his average batting performances, and all batsmen get bad decisions, and most decent batsmen can play on a green top, especially against a side like New Zealand.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Struggled? 3 'test' innings. 2 on a green top and the 3rd he probably wasn't out.

If you're going to bring up him being given out when he didn't hit it, I don't think you should be relying on his last season average when he made 160 after being given not out to one he hit the cover off early on.

[LostDoggy]

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If you're going to bring up him being given out when he didn't hit it, I don't think you should be relying on his last season average when he made 160 after being given not out to one he hit the cover off early on.

I remembered that right away. In the end they pretty much even out

Still its hard to say he is struggling when only the batting pitch he got in his past 3 test innings, he was unlucky to be given out.
I don't condone his behavior after that dismissal, as he got lucky last year.

[LostDoggy]

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A free pass is not having to work hard to get back in the side when he has competition for his position, and a player IMO earnt that spot more than he did.

Sorry but the competition isn't as good.

Last years form is a long time ago.

Well if they was his last test matches then he can't do much about it. Players have survived for years only making runs just before they would have been dropped.

Sounds like your making excuses for his average batting performances, and all batsmen get bad decisions, and most decent batsmen can play on a green top, especially against a side like New Zealand.

Well Watson made 1 and 5 in Brisbane, he mustn't be decent batsman as well.
Averaging 28 for the bat in India is nothing to write home about either.
I'll give he is a better bowler but the side needs more a batting all rounder than a bowling one.

[westdog54]

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Sorry but the competition isn't as good.

Neither is Symonds. His batting has been crap at domestic level and at test level against sub-standard opposition.

Well if they was his last test matches then he can't do much about it. Players have survived for years only making runs just before they would have been dropped.

Yes he can. He can follow team rules and then he doesn't get dropped. And when he does, he can actually show that he's interested at domestic level and make some runs. When AFL players get dropped they go back to the VFL/WAFL/SANFL and kick themselve back into form. Is it so much to ask for a cricketer of Symonds' obvious ability?

Well Watson made 1 and 5 in Brisbane, he mustn't be decent batsman as well.
Averaging 28 for the bat in India is nothing to write home about either.
I'll give he is a better bowler but the side needs more a batting all rounder than a bowling one.

Again, at the moment, Watson's batting form at all levels is in a different ball park to Symonds. Runs on the board remains a factor but to make it the be all and end all as you're suggesting, particularly for a player who is making stupid decision after stupid decision off the field, I can only conclude that favouritism with the selectors is the only thing keeping him in that side.

[ledge]

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Symonds got a game because he is mates with more selectors than he isnt with.
Thats the only real explanation i can find.
Form doesnt cut it.
Behaviour doesnt cut it.
Oh he does have one massive plus, he isnt Victorian!
Players out there busting their guts out to play for Australia and this clown pisses around and still gets a game.
Rules for some but not for others.
So tell us ACB what is the rule for picking players because it obviously isnt form.
Truth be said the only reason Hayden gets a game is because of his contribution over the years.Dont get me wrong Hayden was an awesome player but their comes a time.... not his fault i mean i would keep playing if they kept picking me.
He is 36 now? struggling to get a run, not like he is going to improve is it?
We have openers in state cricket smashing balls all over the park, give them games under their belt against sides like NZ at home, dont throw them in the deep end.
The start of a major upheavel in Australian crickets boardroom if this continues.

[westdog54]

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Symonds got a game because he is mates with more selectors than he isnt with.
Thats the only real explanation i can find.
Form doesnt cut it.
Behaviour doesnt cut it.
Oh he does have one massive plus, he isnt Victorian!
Players out there busting their guts out to play for Australia and this clown pisses around and still gets a game.
Rules for some but not for others.
So tell us ACB what is the rule for picking players because it obviously isnt form.
Truth be said the only reason Hayden gets a game is because of his contribution over the years.Dont get me wrong Hayden was an awesome player but their comes a time.... not his fault i mean i would keep playing if they kept picking me.
He is 36 now? struggling to get a run, not like he is going to improve is it?
We have openers in state cricket smashing balls all over the park, give them games under their belt against sides like NZ at home, dont throw them in the deep end.
The start of a major upheavel in Australian crickets boardroom if this continues.

Said it perfectly Ledge. Agree 100%