Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

[lemmon]

When Shane Warne retired I didnt think we were going to have any trouble finding a new spinner, I pictured thousands of kids in the back yard trying to bowl leggies but sadly this isn't the case and I wonder why? Could the answer be at the very grass roots of club junior cricket? Most coaches are just parents who have generously donated their time and lack the expertise to really help a young cricketer, they often don't know the first thing about how to teach a 10, 11 or 12 year old how to turn the ball so instead we have an entire generation of young cricketers bowling medium pacers. So what is the solution? Is it better education for coaches or getting specialist coaches to children from a young age? What do you think?

[GVGjr]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

I think there is enough youngsters bowling spin but I wonder if the problem is more about that a lot of captains don't know who to use them properly and most importantly setting fields that they can bowl to. I think this applies to the district cricket as well.

The cricket academies also need to provide the right sort of coaching and development.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Leg spin is such a difficult thing to do that kids trying to bowl it end up bowling lots of really bad balls and get disheartened and give up.

Every other kid wants to belt the spinner into next week as well.

[LostDoggy]

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The belief that you replace one of greatest cricketers all time, over night is the problem. Patience is required here.
The lack of a champion spinner isn't the only reason Australia are performing badly. The can still win matches with a good honest performer there till one come around.

[lemmon]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

The belief that you replace one of greatest cricketers all time, over night is the problem. Patience is required here.
The lack of a champion spinner isn't the only reason Australia are performing badly. The can still win matches with a good honest performer there till one come around.

But we dont have a good honest performer, we are bowling Hauritz who cant get a game for NSW. Most Shield teams arent playing a spinner.

[GVGjr]

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But we dont have a good honest performer, we are bowling Hauritz who cant get a game for NSW. Most Shield teams arent playing a spinner.

Agreed. We have shield sides picking teams to win shield games and this does not match up with what is best for the test side.

[lemmon]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

Agreed. We have shield sides picking teams to win shield games and this does not match up with what is best for the test side.

Maybe thats a flaw in our domestic system, Cricket Australia cant dictate who they should pick and who they should leave out. Perhaps pitches should be adjusted to make them more spin friendly.

[LostDoggy]

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I have an idea out of left field. We have a lot of Indian kids coming over to study here, and most of them happen to be pretty handy spinners.

Why don't we do a Monty Panesar and get budding Indian kids into our AIS system on scholarships etc? They have a surplus of spinners over there, a couple of naturalised Indians wouldn't do our spinning stocks any harm.

Or conversely, why don't we send budding Australian spinners over to the sub-continent to learn their craft? Pay for them to go and play state cricket over there, they'll learn how to spin quickly enough. Do an exchange program with India or something -- we send you a couple of young leggies and we'll teach your batsmen how to play in Perth.

[LostDoggy]

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We can't teach our own , how we going to teach some from OS that likely to go back anyway?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

I have an idea out of left field. We have a lot of Indian kids coming over to study here, and most of them happen to be pretty handy spinners.

Why don't we do a Monty Panesar and get budding Indian kids into our AIS system on scholarships etc? They have a surplus of spinners over there, a couple of naturalised Indians wouldn't do our spinning stocks any harm.

Or conversely, why don't we send budding Australian spinners over to the sub-continent to learn their craft? Pay for them to go and play state cricket over there, they'll learn how to spin quickly enough. Do an exchange program with India or something -- we send you a couple of young leggies and we'll teach your batsmen how to play in Perth.

Monty Panesar was born in Birmingham. He was about the only Pom they had for a while there.

[lemmon]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

I have an idea out of left field. We have a lot of Indian kids coming over to study here, and most of them happen to be pretty handy spinners.

Why don't we do a Monty Panesar and get budding Indian kids into our AIS system on scholarships etc? They have a surplus of spinners over there, a couple of naturalised Indians wouldn't do our spinning stocks any harm.

Or conversely, why don't we send budding Australian spinners over to the sub-continent to learn their craft? Pay for them to go and play state cricket over there, they'll learn how to spin quickly enough. Do an exchange program with India or something -- we send you a couple of young leggies and we'll teach your batsmen how to play in Perth.

I reckon theirs a lot of merit in that statement, sending them overseas would give them a bit of international experience and where else to learn how to bowl spin then in India. Good point.

[Mantis]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

Or conversely, why don't we send budding Australian spinners over to the sub-continent to learn their craft? Pay for them to go and play state cricket over there, they'll learn how to spin quickly enough. Do an exchange program with India or something -- we send you a couple of young leggies and we'll teach your batsmen how to play in Perth.

But don't we need to teach our young spinner's how to play on Australian wickets. I don't see the point in learing your craft on wickets (dry and dusty) you rarely play on.

It would be like sending our young golfers to Scotland to play on links courses in cold and windy conditions when most of the tournement's they play on are tree lined courses and are played in warmish climates.

[westdog54]

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But don't we need to teach our young spinner's how to play on Australian wickets. I don't see the point in learing your craft on wickets (dry and dusty) you rarely play on.

It would be like sending our young golfers to Scotland to play on links courses in cold and windy conditions when most of the tournement's they play on are tree lined courses and are played in warmish climates.

Perhaps its just the Indian Expertise that we need then. Should we be looking at recruiting coaches from over there?

[GVGjr]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

Perhaps its just the Indian Expertise that we need then. Should we be looking at recruiting coaches from over there?

There has been a tendency for other countries to look at Australia's coaches in a more favorable light given our success but I wonder how this would go down with the locals?
We did the same for the Wallabies Rugby Union coach so it might be worth considering.

Surely some of the state coaches could step up and provide the right sort of expertise.

[westdog54]

Re: Search for a spinner, falling over at grass roots?

There has been a tendency for other countries to look at Australia's coaches in a more favorable light given our success but I wonder how this would go down with the locals?We did the same for the Wallabies Rugby Union coach so it might be worth considering.

Surely some of the state coaches could step up and provide the right sort of expertise.

I often wonder about this mentality. Are we so proud that we cannot admit that the best person for the job may just happen to come from another country. We can't be the best at everything.