The impact of the IPL ?

[Dogs 24/7]

I was listening to the ABC coverage of the cricket today and I think Henry Lawson raised an interesting point. Only 2 prominent Australian cricketers didn't go to the IPL and their form has improved. As we all know both Clarke and Johnson knocked back opportunities to play in the IPL and have been in excellent forum.
A lot of the other cricketers that went were well down on their form before the tour.

I don't know if this is just a coincidence or a convenient excuse but it does raise concerns about if the additional fixture will knock around a number of the players. It's a demanding schedule at best but playing an additional series must effect them.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

It's hard to tell the affect of playing IPL when the vast majority of guns are playing IPL. The control group isn't big enough.

Graeme Smith, Jacques Kallis , Ashwell Prince, Mark Boucher, Makhaya Ntini, Morne Morkel, Abraham de Villiers and Dale Steyn all played in the IPL and South Africa are looking OK.

I definitely think the calendar needs to be freed up but while IPL can offer the huge wages, it will stay. Less meaningless ODI games and tests between mismatched nations is what I would do. Not sure what's the point in having a test series against NZ is atm.

[ledge]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I was listening to the ABC coverage of the cricket today and I think Henry Lawson raised an interesting point. Only 2 prominent Australian cricketers didn't go to the IPL and their form has improved. As we all know both Clarke and Johnson knocked back opportunities to play in the IPL and have been in excellent forum.
A lot of the other cricketers that went were well down on their form before the tour.

I don't know if this is just a coincidence or a convenient excuse but it does raise concerns about if the additional fixture will knock around a number of the players. It's a demanding schedule at best but playing an additional series must effect them.

Sounds like Henry is trying to pull another excuse out of the hat to me.
Clutching at straws i would say.

[ledge]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

It's hard to tell the affect of playing IPL when the vast majority of guns are playing IPL. The control group isn't big enough.

Graeme Smith, Jacques Kallis , Ashwell Prince, Mark Boucher, Makhaya Ntini, Morne Morkel, Abraham de Villiers and Dale Steyn all played in the IPL and South Africa are looking OK.

I definitely think the calendar needs to be freed up but while IPL can offer the huge wages, it will stay. Less meaningless ODI games and tests between mismatched nations is what I would do. Not sure what's the point in having a test series against NZ is atm.

So when should they play Australia?
I think the Test comp runs on a 5 year calender where you must play all teams within that 5 years.
Its probably the only way to do it because you have to give coverage for new teams etc if you want cricket to grow.
If your saying NZ is shit now why should we play them well thats a silly statement, teams go up and down in cycles so if Australia was shit other teams should say no we wont play them?

[Mantis]

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So when should they play Australia?
I think the Test comp runs on a 5 year calender where you must play all teams within that 5 years.
Its probably the only way to do it because you have to give coverage for new teams etc if you want cricket to grow.
If your saying NZ is shit now why should we play them well thats a silly statement, teams go up and down in cycles so if Australia was shit other teams should say no we wont play them?

When have NZ been anything but shit? Way back in the mid 80's?

Gee that cycle is taking a long time to turn.

[Bornadog]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I was listening to the ABC coverage of the cricket today and I think Henry Lawson raised an interesting point. Only 2 prominent Australian cricketers didn't go to the IPL and their form has improved. As we all know both Clarke and Johnson knocked back opportunities to play in the IPL and have been in excellent forum.
A lot of the other cricketers that went were well down on their form before the tour.

I don't know if this is just a coincidence or a convenient excuse but it does raise concerns about if the additional fixture will knock around a number of the players. It's a demanding schedule at best but playing an additional series must effect them.

Maybe its a case of too much cricket and not enough breaks away from the game.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

So when should they play Australia?
I think the Test comp runs on a 5 year calender where you must play all teams within that 5 years.
Its probably the only way to do it because you have to give coverage for new teams etc if you want cricket to grow.
If your saying NZ is shit now why should we play them well thats a silly statement, teams go up and down in cycles so if Australia was shit other teams should say no we wont play them?

I think the test nations should be split into two categories with a relegation/promotion system over 2-4 years, with the top 5 in the first division and the bottom 5 in the second tier. Perhaps you would need some time in between due to fixture uncertainty for promoted/relegated sides, were sides like NZ and Australia could play test matches.

I'm not sure how good it is for New Zealand cricket to get owned by the likes of South Africa and India. We were pretty poor against them but still beat them 2-0.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I have just realised I've inadvertently ripped off Sockey. Apologies.

[Twodogs]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I have just realised I've inadvertently ripped off Sockey. Apologies.

Sockeye wont mind. He loves people agreeing with him.

[ledge]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I think the test nations should be split into two categories with a relegation/promotion system over 2-4 years, with the top 5 in the first division and the bottom 5 in the second tier. Perhaps you would need some time in between due to fixture uncertainty for promoted/relegated sides, were sides like NZ and Australia could play test matches.

I'm not sure how good it is for New Zealand cricket to get owned by the likes of South Africa and India. We were pretty poor against them but still beat them 2-0.

That might be a good way to go, reward the winning teams but still see the other sides, from what we are all saying the ICC needs to restructure its whole format now.

[Topdog]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I read an article in the Age this morning about the same thing. Thought it was one of the weakest excuses I have ever heard.

[azabob]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

I read an article in the Age this morning about the same thing. Thought it was one of the weakest excuses I have ever heard.

I didnt see the article as an excuse just pointing out interesting stats. Who is that writer anyhow? I would think he is from one of the Sydney papers. Cricketers are always complaining too much cricket, but when extra coin is on the offer they jump at it.

[Topdog]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

As someone else said above if the IPL is to blame for Australia's woes why are India and SA not feeling the effects.

It is a pissweak excuse.

[GVGjr]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

As someone else said above if the IPL is to blame for Australia's woes why are India and SA not feeling the effects.

It is a pissweak excuse.

It's an observation not an excuse. Some players needed the break and others took the money and played. The ones that rested up have performed though. It's just food for thought not an excuse.

[Topdog]

Re: The impact of the IPL ?

It's an observation not an excuse. Some players needed the break and others took the money and played. The ones that rested up have performed though. It's just food for thought not an excuse.

Here is the article I was referring to

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/cricket/australians-pay-for-ipl-riches/2009/01/04/1231003848403.html

For me it sounds like someone making excuses. Everyone knows the cricket calender is overcrowded but it is the players who ultimately make the decision to play.