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  • Rocco Jones
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jun 2008
    • 6921

    Greatest XI in your time

    Sorry for there's a similar thread around but I have searched long enough.

    I am interested in reading the thoughts that different posters have about the best players from different eras. The basic premise of this exercise is to select the best XI based purely on your time following cricket. It is assumed that they are going to play against a very strong side in conditions suited equally for all types of players.

    I started following the game in the early 90's and here's my Test XI

    Matthew Hayden: An average of over 50 in 102 tests makes him the best opener I have seen. Also a strong slips fieldsman but might be forced back into the gully with the strength of others.

    Graeme Smith (vc):
    This would have received a lot of criticism here a month ago (would have had him then as well). Once again averages over 50 in 74 tests and at 27 there's a lot to come. Proved his leadership, toughness and that he can mix it up with the best this summer. Also very safe in the slips.

    Ricky Ponting: An average of 57.2 over 127 tests batting mainly at first drop is obviously outstanding. He will soon become Australia's hight test run scorer.

    Sanchin Tendulkar: The little master. An average of over 54 from 156 tests makes him the leading career test run scorer. Stunningly made his test debut at 16 and has pretty much dominated ever since. His part time spin bowling could also be useful. Best player I have seen.

    Brian Lara:
    Batting a bit out of place here but I am sure he could cope with it. Average of 52.88 over 131 tests makes him the 2nd highest career test run scorer. Started his career with a still dominate Windies team but had to spend most of career holding together a crumbling line up. His batting was so beautiful it feels a crime to have him out of my XI.

    Jacques Kallis: Not the most exciting cricketer going around but you'd be hard pressed many better all-rounders. He is just short of 10,000 runs in test cricket, averaging 54.95 over 127 tests. He has also taken 251 wickets at 30.98. His bowling allows me to play two spinners. Another strong slips fieldsman, don't knick it against my team.

    Adam Gilchrist: Finished with an average of 47.6. His aggressive batting was perfect for the limited time he had at the crease with the tail. While his keeping wasn't great he ended up with the second highest amount of test career wicket-keeper dismissals and his average of 4.33 dismissals is significantly higher than others at the top of the list (noted that he played in a side often taking 20 wickets a test). At his peak, he was the batsman I most enjoyed watching.

    Wasim Akram: His stats aren't as good as some of his rivals for the spot (still great stats) and I missed the start of his career but I ended up giving him a spot because of what he could offer the side. A left arm fast bowler with the strong ability to reverse swing a ball, he could rip through a side. He averaged 22.64 with the ball, taking 414 wickets in 104 tests. He never seemed to reach his potential with the bat but could be very damaging when he got going. An average of 23.62 is pretty good for a number eight.

    Shane Warne (c): Second highest test career wickets with 708 wickets at 25.41, while it's a great average, it does not do him just. He was stunning at his peak, where he was on it felt like he would take a wicket with every ball. A big game player who had the ability to rip through a side as well as holding up an end. The perfect bowler to have at the other end. A batting average of 25.41 coming in at nine isn't too bad. The bowler I have most enjoyed watching my a fair distance. I know it seems crazy to have a player captaining this collection of players who has never captained a test team before but I rate his cricket mind (key word cricket) extremely high.

    Muttiah Muralitharan: Obviously a lot of doubt over his action but if he gets to play, he definitely has to make my side. His off-spin and Warne's leg-spin would make a deadly combination. He mas the leading career test wicket taker with 766 wickets at an average of 21.92. He gets a lot of criticism for taking wickets against the minnows but against teams excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe he has taken 572 wickets at 24.05, still very impressive. Another one that could rip a side apart.

    Glenn McGrath: Mr.Consistency with the ball with the ability to bowl line and length all day. 563 wickets at an average of 21.64 over 124 tests. A player to have bowling at the other end and obviously has the ability to take wickets himself, he would be a great partner for Wasim.

    12th man: Shaun Pollock: Great bowling all-rounder averaging 23 with the ball and 32 with the bat, I just felt what the other bowlers were more valuable and the batting depth was already strong enough.

    Apologies to many, but mostly:

    Steve Waugh: Great leader and batsman just couldn't drop Lara for him. If his body let him he would have had a strong crack at an all-rounders spot.

    Curtly Ambrose: Economical and dangerous, very stiff to miss out but I saw more of McGrath's career and thought Wasim added more to the side.
  • The Coon Dog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7575

    #2
    Re: Greatest XI in your time

    We were talking about this at work the other day, but from say the 70's.

    Our criteria was a spinner, 3 quicks, a keeper, 2 openers & either 4 top/middle order batsmen or 3 & 1 bowling all rounder.

    It was bloody hard as you had to leave some players out who were just world class.

    Here was mine:

    1. Gordon Greenidge
    2. Sunil Gavaskar
    3. Viv Richards
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Javed Miandad
    6. Adam Gilchrist
    7. Imran Khan
    8. Shane Warne
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Dennis Lillee
    11. Joel Garner

    I left out: Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, Desmond Haynes, Matthew Hayden, Ian Botham, Kapil Dev, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts & Wasim Akram.
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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #3
      Re: Greatest XI in your time

      B Richards
      M Hayden
      G Pollock
      G Sobers
      I Richards
      B Lara
      A Gilchrist
      I Botham
      S Warne (Captain)
      D Lillee
      G McGrath

      R Simpson (Coach)

      Apologies to Ponting, Tendulkar, Barrington, Hadlee and Lawry

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      • Sockeye Salmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6365

        #4
        Re: Greatest XI in your time

        Man this is tough.

        I'm a bit older than you, Jason, I go back to the early 70's.


        The openers were really hard to pick. There are enough middle order bats to pick from and dozens of quick bowlers, but very few openers were seriously elite. Gavaskar was a grafter who was bloody hard to get out, Hayden was a gun and Dessie Haynes was a wanker who could bat. Tubby Taylor was the best captain I have ever seen but I couldn't justify him as a batsman.

        In the end I went for Graeme Smith and Gordon Greenidge. Both started their careers off slowly before turning into absolute superstars. Scarily, Smith could even get better.

        Three players stood out to me as certainties for the middle order - G. Chappell, Tendulkar and Richards.

        Greg Chappell stopped playing the pull shot half way through his career because he got out to it a few times and the cricket world was worse off for it. He played it like Ponting. I saw his century on debut at Perth replayed on ABC2 last summer - he went to tea on 16no and got out at 5.30 for 108.

        The last spot in the middle order was hard to pick. Ponting, Border and Waugh all had claims, so did Lara and Gower. Graeme Pollock would have been a certainty if not for SA's expulsion.

        I went for Border in the end. The way he stood up the the Windies when everyone else was collapsing was some of the guttsiest batting you'll ever see.

        Gilchrist was the only keeper considered, Warne was the only spinner. Murali chucks it and should not even be playing test cricket, I wouldn't have him in my team.

        The fast bowling spots are a lottery. Lillee, Hadlee, Holding, Botham, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Marshall, Ambrose, Garner. I'd hate to be facing any of them.

        Botham and Khan, IMO, were slightly behind the others as pure bowlers but were better batsmen, however Gilchrist means the extra batsman wouldn't be so important.

        I went with Lillee, Holding and Akram but they're all pretty much interchangable. Akram got the last spot basically because he's a left hander.


        Smith
        Greenidge
        Richards
        G. Chappell
        Tendulkar
        Border
        Gilchrist
        Warne
        Akram
        Lillee
        Holding

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        • Rocco Jones
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jun 2008
          • 6921

          #5
          Re: Greatest XI in your time

          Originally posted by craigsahibee
          No need for two spinners. Replace Murali with the great D K Lillee.

          An 11 that good does not require an all rounder. Bye Bye Jacques, hello G S Chappell.

          Sachin made his runs on flat lifeless tracks in the sub-continent. Give me Sir Isaac V A Richards anyday.
          Not sure why you are comparing players from outside of my era to players I had in my team. As I stated, the premise of the exercise was to pick players you were around to see. Lillee and Greg Chappell didn't play in the 90's and Viv Richards was just ending his career.

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          • Rocco Jones
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jun 2008
            • 6921

            #6
            Re: Greatest XI in your time

            Some great teams guys, I would love to hear from what time they start.

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            • mighty_west
              Coaching Staff
              • Feb 2008
              • 3378

              #7
              Re: Greatest XI in your time

              My best XI:

              1. Mathew Hayden
              2. Sunil Gavaskar
              3. Viv Richards
              4. Greg Chappell
              5. Sachin Tendulker
              6. Brian Lara
              7. Adam Gilchrist
              8. Richard Hadlee
              9. Shane Warne
              10. Michael Holding
              11. Dennis Lillee

              12th man : Jonty Rhodes [for his fielding]

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              • Sockeye Salmon
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 6365

                #8
                Re: Greatest XI in your time

                Originally posted by craigsahibee
                Fair enough. It's just that the boundaries of my era encompass a few more players that's all.

                When I was a kid it wasn't summer unless the West Indies were here. I chose to play for the local club that I did purely because they wore maroon hats. The West Indian teams I can recall watching from the mid 70's were simply awesome, hence their majority representation in my team.
                How about:

                Greenidge
                Haynes
                Richards
                Richardson
                Lara
                Lloyd
                Dujon
                Marshall
                Garner
                Holding
                Ambrose

                Rohan Kanhai and Lance Gibbs toured in 75-76 but were basically finished, Sobers pulled out of that tour and pretty much gave it away. Three handy players. I left out (reluctantly) Lawrence Rowe, Alvin Kallicharan, Roy Fredericks, Derek Murray and Andy Roberts.


                vs.


                Taylor
                Hayden
                Ponting
                G. Chappell
                Waugh
                Border
                Gilchrist
                Warne
                Lillee
                Alderman
                McGrath


                Pretty easy side to pick actually. The only real question was for the third paceman. I went for Alderman over Walker, Hogg, Reid or Lee. Thommo was dynamite but he really only had two fantastic years before he did his shoulder. Man he was good in those two years, though.

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                • ledge
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 14033

                  #9
                  Re: Greatest XI in your time

                  Too hard to choose but can i mention a certain Roy Fredericks?
                  Some really awesome openers over the years.
                  Captains too, I would probably rate Allan Border and Clive Lloyd as the best i saw.
                  Gee doesnt matter what era you look at, the WI 70s team would be the team to beat, even considering the Australian teams of the last 20 years.
                  Bring back the biff

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                  • The Doctor
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 3701

                    #10
                    Re: Greatest XI in your time

                    I've been watching since about 72.

                    Here is my world XI

                    1. Greenidge
                    2. Haynes
                    3. Richards
                    4. Lara
                    5. Miandad
                    6. Lloyd (c)
                    7. Imran Khan
                    8. Knott
                    9. Hadlee
                    10. Holding
                    11. Garner

                    Most picked themselves and all played super cricket against the best in the world for practically all their careers. They were all brilliant against us regardless of the strength of their test sides and always took it up to us.

                    A couple of queries I had were Lloyd v Laxman. Lloyd got in on strength of his captaincy. Knott beat Dujon as the technically more proficient keeper. Garner v Akram v Ambrose was hard. Habajan was the only spinner I seriously considered.

                    This my Australian XI I would throw at them.

                    1. Langer
                    2. Hayden
                    3. I.Chappell (c)
                    4. G.Chappell
                    5. S.Waugh
                    6. Ponting
                    7. Gilchrist
                    8. Warne
                    9. Lillie
                    10. Thompson
                    11. McGrath

                    I considered Taylor for an opening spot. I also had to choose between Border and Ponting. Gave some thought to Walters at 5. Thommo was the most frightening bowler I have seen and at his best was better than Lillie so he got the nod ahead of Gillsepie and Alderman.
                    Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                    • ledge
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 14033

                      #11
                      Re: Greatest XI in your time

                      I considered Taylor for an opening spot. I also had to choose between Border and Ponting. Gave some thought to Walters at 5. Thommo was the most frightening bowler I have seen and at his best was better than Lillie so he got the nod ahead of Gillsepie and Alderman.

                      Hope that wasnt chosen on captaining ability.
                      Bring back the biff

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                      • westdog54
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6683

                        #12
                        Re: Greatest XI in your time

                        Difficult, extremely difficult.

                        I've been following cricket since around the '89 Ashes series.

                        Here's my attempt:

                        Openers
                        1. Matthew Hayden. When he was partnered with Justin Langer it was quite simply a joy to watch.
                        2. Gordon Greenidge. This second spot was bloody tough to pick, but geez he loved the sound of Leather on advertising signage.
                        Middle Order
                        3. Ricky Ponting. I considered Botham at Number 6, but with number 4 and 6 both reasonably handy part-timers I didn't feel the need for an allrounder, particularly when it means leaving a badsman as classy as Ponting out.
                        4. Sachin Tendulkar. Not just for his ability to play the game, but for the spirit in which he always played it. Whilst the same cannot always be said for some of his predecesors or teammates, this bloke emphasised something I heard Richie Benaud say, about how cricket can be played with spirit, but it had always to be the right spirit. If he copped a shocker from the umpire, there were no hysterics, no carrying on, not even a half second look of disgust. He simply turned and walked off. A gentleman of the game.
                        5. Viv Richards. See above. Quite simply the best striker of a cricket ball I've seen in my lifetime, and I'm counting the bloke at number 7 here.
                        6. Allan Border (C). This is the man who took over as Australian captain at the worst possible time. The team was getting flogged. Kim Hughes had walked. The talent pool wasn't deep. He persevered. He led Australia to Ashes Glory on English soil in 89 and again in 93. He also led his country to a World Cup victory in India. Along the way, he racked up a lazy 11,000 runs.
                        Wicketkeeper
                        7. Adam Gilchrist. Say no more
                        Spinner
                        8. Shane Warne. See above
                        Quicks
                        9. Wasim Akram. To label him as the token left arm quick would be unfair for a bowler of his calibre. Wonderful bowler.
                        10. Curtly Ambrose. When the West Indies were at their most Fearsome this bloke was smack-bang in the middle of the action. As damaging to the scoreboard as he was to the skull and ribcage.
                        11. Glenn McGrath. You could put a 10c piece on the pitch and Glenn McGrath would flip it 5 balls an over. What he lacked in pace and swing he more than made up for in accuracy and consistency. Gave nothing on the scoreboard, but plenty in the way of verbal warfare.

                        Hayden
                        Greenidge
                        Ponting
                        Tendulkar
                        Richards
                        Border
                        Gilchrist
                        Warne
                        Wasim Akram
                        Ambrose
                        McGrath

                        Boy, that was tough...

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                        • Twodogs
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 27638

                          #13
                          Re: Greatest XI in your time

                          The first time I went to a test was 1970-71. I to'd and fro'd about picking Simpson who came back at the age of 40 so I didnt see the best of him though he was still quite a player!


                          M Taylor.
                          M. Khan
                          R. Ponting
                          I.V.A. Richards
                          G Chappell
                          S. Tendulkar
                          A. Gilchrist
                          S Warne (C)
                          I. Khan
                          M. Holding
                          D. Lillee


                          Great thread Jason.
                          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                          • The Coon Dog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7575

                            #14
                            Re: Greatest XI in your time

                            Originally posted by Twodogs
                            The first time I went to a test was 1970-71. I to'd and fro'd about picking Simpson who came back at the age of 40 so I didnt see the best of him though he was still quite a player!


                            M Taylor.
                            M. Khan
                            R. Ponting
                            I.V.A. Richards
                            G Chappell
                            S. Tendulkar
                            A. Gilchrist
                            S Warne (C)
                            I. Khan
                            M. Holding
                            D. Lillee


                            Great thread Jason.
                            Funny, with the players you can't squeeze in, they in themselves would make an equally menacing team.
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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 43925

                              #15
                              Re: Greatest XI in your time

                              Hayden
                              Grennidge
                              Richards
                              Tendulkar
                              Lara
                              GChappell
                              Knott
                              Akram
                              Hadlee/Lillee
                              Warne
                              Garner

                              I can't split Lillee and Hadlee but I wouldn't have both of them in the same side because they were so/too similar. To compliment either of those guys I have the best left handed quick ever who could bowl on all tracks and Garner who could destroy the tail like no other.

                              No need for a batting keeper when you can afford the luxury of Greg Chappell at number 6 (also filling the all-rounders spot) so Alan Knott was the best gloveman around and deserves his spot.

                              We have the slips fielding brilliantly covered and the added luxury of Richards in the covers. Garner was a sensational gully fieldsman as well. I'm probably light on for a great bat pad catcher.
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