Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

[GVGjr]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

We are precisely in the position we are currently in because we pick players based on reputations and performances from seasons gone by.

We lost the Ashes in 2005 because we played a hopelessly-out-of-form Jason Gillespie just because he had been a good player over the previous 5 or so years. Ancient history - and in sport a year ago IS ancient history - has little to do with right now.

Hayden, Symonds and Lee have all bitten us on the bum by being selected when their most recent form was deplorable.

If we were really desperate for openers I could kind of understand it - we are in that situation with spinners and Bryce McGain - but Phil Hughes and Chris Rogers have both made heaps of runs this year in the Shield and Simon Katich has just about been our most consistant bat in the tests.

Even Chris Grant had to play a game with Werribee before he got back in the seniors.


Personally I'd be delighted if Rogers, McGain, Hodge, D. Hussey, McDonald, Siddle and White all missed out on the SA tour, I'd rather they were here for the Shield final, but all have realistic claims for a spot.

Jacques was never dropped and he was replaced in the test side because of injury and whilst I'm not 100% convinced that he is a great prospect he deserves to be spoken about as a candidate for the next two tours.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Jacques was never dropped and he was replaced in the test side because of injury and whilst I'm not 100% convinced that he is a great prospect he deserves to be spoken about as a candidate for the next two tours.

Not until he makes a few scores, he doesn't.

It doesn't matter a damn about why he's not there, he (literally) didn't make a run for a year. It doesn't matter why, just that until he does he doesn't even deserve to be brought up at selection meetings.

[GVGjr]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Not until he makes a few scores, he doesn't.

It doesn't matter a damn about why he's not there, he (literally) didn't make a run for a year. It doesn't matter why, just that until he does he doesn't even deserve to be brought up at selection meetings.

Can't agree. He's done more than enough to warrant consideration. Yes he does need to make some runs but really this is just a timing issue as he will make runs soon enough.
For someone who puts the Bushies ahead of the National side this shouldn't worry you in the slightest anyway.

[hujsh]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Sorry hujsh but that is an old chestnut that can be simply answered by the fact that he didn't do enough when he had his chances.

I wasn't defending him. Saying if Hodge was in Jaques position we'd (State overall) demand his return.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Can't agree. He's done more than enough to warrant consideration. Yes he does need to make some runs but really this is just a timing issue as he will make runs soon enough.
For someone who puts the Bushies ahead of the National side this shouldn't worry you in the slightest anyway.

Like Symonds? Hayden?

Runs first, selection second.

It is of huge concern to me, NSW won't make the Shield final. I'd much rather they selected someone from Qld, Tassie or WA.

[GVGjr]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Like Symonds? Hayden?

Runs first, selection second.

It's not like those two at all. Haydos was in decline over an extended period and the selectors just stuck with him for too long and Symonds just couldn't get his head into the job at hand. Jaques on the other hand was performing strongly.

Your selection criteria is better suited to selecting the test side than discussing if someone back from injury with a 47 batting average could be a possible tourist candidate.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

We are precisely in the position we are currently in because we pick players based on reputations and performances from seasons gone by.

We lost the Ashes in 2005 because we played a hopelessly-out-of-form Jason Gillespie just because he had been a good player over the previous 5 or so years. Ancient history - and in sport a year ago IS ancient history - has little to do with right now.

Hayden, Symonds and Lee have all bitten us on the bum by being selected when their most recent form was deplorable.

If we were really desperate for openers I could kind of understand it - we are in that situation with spinners and Bryce McGain - but Phil Hughes and Chris Rogers have both made heaps of runs this year in the Shield and Simon Katich has just about been our most consistant bat in the tests.

Even Chris Grant had to play a game with Werribee before he got back in the seniors.


Personally I'd be delighted if Rogers, McGain, Hodge, D. Hussey, McDonald, Siddle and White all missed out on the SA tour, I'd rather they were here for the Shield final, but all have realistic claims for a spot.

No way you can blame dizzy for losing the ashes, that was a bad bad tour for him and justifiably his last but he was worthy of the attempt. I am testing my memory of the tour but you cannot blame one man for a teams loss in a test series, how about McGrath stepping on a cricket ball or Ponting deciding to bowl. There were a lot of failures on that tour except for Shane Warne of course. Didnt Warney have a better average for that tour than most of the top order? Pretty hard to win a test series when the top order is being beaten by one of the tailenders, case in point, 2008/2009 vs Sth Africa... our tail have been brilliant led by the man with the name that also belongs to the other great man mitch, we still werent able to beat the Saffas.

Although I agree that Jaques needs to do more before he should be in the mix.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

No way you can blame dizzy for losing the ashes, that was a bad bad tour for him and justifiably his last but he was worthy of the attempt. I am testing my memory of the tour but you cannot blame one man for a teams loss in a test series, how about McGrath stepping on a cricket ball or Ponting deciding to bowl. There were a lot of failures on that tour except for Shane Warne of course. Didnt Warney have a better average for that tour than most of the top order? Pretty hard to win a test series when the top order is being beaten by one of the tailenders, case in point, 2008/2009 vs Sth Africa... our tail have been brilliant led by the man with the name that also belongs to the other great man mitch, we still werent able to beat the Saffas.

Although I agree that Jaques needs to do more before he should be in the mix.

I'm not 'blaming' Dizzy for losing the Ashes at all. I'm blaming the selectors for playing someone based on past reputation who was hopelessly out of form.

We all loved Dizzy - he's a Bulldog supporter after all - but he was dreadful on that tour.

[lemmon]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

I'm not 'blaming' Dizzy for losing the Ashes at all. I'm blaming the selectors for playing someone based on past reputation who was hopelessly out of form.

We all loved Dizzy - he's a Bulldog supporter after all - but he was dreadful on that tour.

Using this logic Gilchrist should also have been banished from the test arena after that series.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Using this logic Gilchrist should also have been banished from the test arena after that series.

It was a pointer that the end was nigh.

Over the rest of his career (not including that series where he only averaged 22.6) he averaged 32.3.

Lets not forget that Gilchrist was a keeper as well, so runs were not his only KPI. His keeping also came into it, and his keeping was starting to slip as well.

We probably did hang on to Gilly too long and would have been better off turning to Haddin a bit earlier than we did.

Certainly Gilchrist's last series against India was very average.

[hujsh]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

Hughes is looking to be better even without the age factor on his side ATM.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Hughes Vs Jaques -The "Phil-Off"

150 in the first innings of not too many more balls.

82no in the second dig.

Averaging 60 in shield this year plus runs in the ODD and T20's.

If Jacques comes in ahead of Hughes, the cricketing public should start a lynch mob and hunt down the 'selectors'.