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  • Raw Toast
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 982

    #31
    Re: Tour de France 09

    Awful luck for Rogers, hopefully he can hang in there and continue to create a bit of havoc.

    Tonight still promises to be very interesting, but might not be as exciting as I'd thought - it's still a tough mountain stage with a mountain-top finish, but the climb is not supposed to be that hard, and some of the analysts are even saying that Cancellara is a decent chance to stay with the GC riders and keep his yellow joursey.

    Apparently it's often super-hot around Andorra at this time of the year, but the forecast is for cloud cover and then a fine mild day, so Evans won't be gruntled about that (anything that makes things hard tends to be to his advantage because he's so good at grinding things out at a strong pace, while riders like Contador rely more on an acceleration that Cadel doesn't have).

    The official guide (which is a good read - available at all newsagents), has a note from the organisers that they don't want the race won until the second last day if possible, so the stages in the Pyrenees have not been made as hard as they have been in the past.

    But you'd still think that at least one (and hopefully more) of Sastre, Evans, and Menchov will try and get back into it. And Riis has said that if no one else makes a go of it then Saxo Bank will try and make the climb difficult for Astana anyway. One of the interesting things will be whether they protect Cancellara as well as Andy Schleck (and maybe also Frank), or whether Cancellara works for the others.
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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15547

      #32
      Re: Tour de France 09

      Originally posted by Raw Toast
      Awful luck for Rogers, hopefully he can hang in there and continue to create a bit of havoc.

      Tonight still promises to be very interesting, but might not be as exciting as I'd thought - it's still a tough mountain stage with a mountain-top finish, but the climb is not supposed to be that hard, and some of the analysts are even saying that Cancellara is a decent chance to stay with the GC riders and keep his yellow joursey.

      Apparently it's often super-hot around Andorra at this time of the year, but the forecast is for cloud cover and then a fine mild day, so Evans won't be gruntled about that (anything that makes things hard tends to be to his advantage because he's so good at grinding things out at a strong pace, while riders like Contador rely more on an acceleration that Cadel doesn't have).

      The official guide (which is a good read - available at all newsagents), has a note from the organisers that they don't want the race won until the second last day if possible, so the stages in the Pyrenees have not been made as hard as they have been in the past.

      But you'd still think that at least one (and hopefully more) of Sastre, Evans, and Menchov will try and get back into it. And Riis has said that if no one else makes a go of it then Saxo Bank will try and make the climb difficult for Astana anyway. One of the interesting things will be whether they protect Cancellara as well as Andy Schleck (and maybe also Frank), or whether Cancellara works for the others.
      So in a sense the first 18 or so stages of the tour are just a waste of time... Why don't they just make it a one day race up a hill?

      Anyway tonight should be an interesting stage. Was reading this morning that the final climb had an average gradient of just over 7 so hopefully it sorts a few of the contenders out.

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 67678

        #33
        Re: Tour de France 09

        Originally posted by Mantis
        So in a sense the first 18 or so stages of the tour are just a waste of time... Why don't they just make it a one day race up a hill?

        Anyway tonight should be an interesting stage. Was reading this morning that the final climb had an average gradient of just over 7 so hopefully it sorts a few of the contenders out.
        What I don't understand is how does one make up time? It seems that all the contenders stick together in the peloton and wait for someone to either drop out on the mountain stages, or crash. Then they hope in the time trials they can make up time?
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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          #34
          Re: Tour de France 09

          Originally posted by bornadog
          What I don't understand is how does one make up time? It seems that all the contenders stick together in the peloton and wait for someone to either drop out on the mountain stages, or crash. Then they hope in the time trials they can make up time?
          Unfortunately for Cadel that's pretty much what it's been reduced to.

          If a rider has a decent team around him they can attack on the hills and then the decent riders have to use up their energy covering them. This time it's the other way around because Astana are so strong.

          Astana could send Armstrong + 1 other away and Cadel, Sastre, Schlenk etc would have to go with him because if he got away and they couldn't catch him it's game over.

          Then Armstrong would ease back into the peleton for a rest and Contador + 1 other takes off and the hopefuls would have to go again or else Contator could get away and blow the tour away.

          Then it's Leipheimer's turn.

          Astana could keep doing this until the chasers can't go any more.

          The question is whether the ego's involved (ie Armstrong & Contador) would risk the other being the lucky one who broke the back of the chasers.

          If they work as a team someone from Astana wins. Will Lance take the risk that it might be Contador?

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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15547

            #35
            Re: Tour de France 09

            I only saw the last 10 or 15 minutes of the stage last night (I was drowning my sorrows), but it was enough to see why Contador is the team to beat. Evans threw everything at the Astana team, but each challenge was countered and then when he had challenged one too many time Contador shot off to gain some valuable seconds in his rivals.

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            • BulldogBelle
              WOOF Member
              • Nov 2006
              • 5284

              #36
              Re: Tour de France 09

              Grrrrrrr, scheduled rest day today in the Tour De France. Have absolutely enjoyed every minute of it to date.

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              • Mantis
                Hall of Fame
                • Apr 2007
                • 15547

                #37
                Re: Tour de France 09

                After a few 'flat' stages the race hit the Alps last night and we saw the big guns flex their muscles... Well only one big gun - Alberto Contador.

                What a freakish climber this guy is, he just rode away from the best cyclists in the world with a power I haven't seen before. Probably as expected he has split the race open and on the back of such a strong team he will be able to keep and probably build on this lead.

                Another couple of decent climbs in tonights stage so it will be interesting to see how the other contenders respond, but I just can't see anyone getting close to him at the moment.

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                • Sockeye Salmon
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6365

                  #38
                  Re: Tour de France 09

                  Game over.

                  He's simply too good.

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #39
                    Re: Tour de France 09

                    Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                    Game over.

                    He's simply too good.
                    Originally posted by Mantis
                    What a freakish climber this guy is, he just rode away from the best cyclists in the world with a power I haven't seen before.
                    Which usually gets the alarm bells ringing.

                    I know it's probably unfair, but with Le Tour having the horrific doping history it does, I'm afraid the cynicism over 'superhuman' performances is here to stay for a while yet.


                    Ps. Some of Landis's rides a couple of Tours back re: power was as impressive (if illegal) as anything Contador's pulled this tour.

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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15547

                      #40
                      Re: Tour de France 09

                      Shocking night for Cadel.

                      When the big guns attacked he was left floundering and dropped another 2'56" on all of the big names. Reports after stage 15 showed that he was a stressed individual and this has carried over into the latest stage (16). His team-mates haven't been able to offer the type of support he requires and I think he is at breaking point.

                      Hopefully with him out of GC contention he will be allowed to get into a breakaway and go for a stage victory.

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