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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    An interesting article for spin bowlers



    CONCERNING the doosra, Australia is thinking of turning the other way.

    The finger spinner’s wrong-’un had been thought a physiological impossibility until the International Cricket Council began bending the rules to accommodate the bending of the arms. At present, the allowable deviation is 15 per cent.

    But at a spin-bowling summit in Brisbane last month, a coterie of former Test spinners decided that they would not teach the doosra to young Australian bowlers because, in their collective opinion, it offends the laws of the game.

    Writing in the Adelaide Review, off-spinning great Ashley Mallett said: ‘‘There was unanimous agreement that the off-spinner’s ‘other-one’, the doosra, should not be coached in Australia. I have never seen anyone actually bowl the doosra. It has to be a chuck. Until such time as the ICC declares that all manner of chucking is legal in the game of cricket, I refuse to coach the doosra. All at the spin summit agreed.’’

    ‘‘All’’ included leg-spinners Shane Warne, Stuart MacGill, Jim Higgs, Terry Jenner and Peter Philpott, offies Gavin Robertson and Mallett, as well as Australian chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch.

    Depending on your point of view, the proposed ban on the doosra is a case of Australia cutting off its nose to spite its face, affecting to despise what it cannot have, seizing the high moral ground or even usurping the authority of the ICC.

    Cricket Australia says it is none of the above. Operations manager Michael Brown, who convened the summit, said the propriety of the doosra was just one of dozens of ideas to resuscitate spin bowling in a discussion paper that will go to the board later this year.

    ‘‘For 100 years, we’ve just given the ball to Shane Warne and told him to bowl,’’ said Brown. ‘‘Now we have a strategy and a plan.’’

    Warne, unsurprisingly, was outspoken at the summit. It was his idea to add a day to Sheffield Shield games so that spin came into play on the last day, his idea to do away with first-innings points in shield cricket, his idea to scrap 50-over cricket altogether, and his idea to allow bowlers five overs each in Twenty20 cricket instead of four.

    The summit discussed captaincy. ‘‘Anyone who knows anything about spin bowling would have been horrified by the field set by Ricky Ponting for Nathan Hauritz and Jason Krejza in recent times,’’ wrote Mallett. ‘‘Often there was a point on the fence. All that does is tell the batsman that the bowler intends to bowl a few long hops outside off-stump.’’

    The forum also discussed pitches, the format of matches, the atrophying of spin bowling in grade cricket, and selection. A case in point was Victoria’s Jon Holland, named in a 30-man advance Australian squad for the Champions Trophy later this year, but not a regular in the state team.

    But the hardest issue to pick out of the hand was the doosra. Pioneered by Saqlain Mushtaq, repeatedly subjected to biomechanical testing, it has become something of a subcontinental speciality. Another Saqlain-taught and ICC-approved Pakistani, Saeed Ajmal, used it effectively against Australia in a series in Dubai before the Ashes.

    Dean Jones is one who thinks Australia has to bend in its thinking or fall behind. ‘‘If Australian finger spinners want to be successful in world cricket today, they’d better learn how to bowl it or they will not last long,’’ he wrote in The Age recently.

    ‘‘Whether we like it or not, the law has been changed now and the bowler can bend his arm up to 15 degrees and still make the delivery legal. What we now need to do is get our young spinners to bend their arms a bit and start to learn how to bowl the doosra. We need to sign up Saqlain now and get him to Australia to teach Hauritz and Krejza how to bowl the doosra. And fast!’’

    True to its objective, the doosra still has everyone looking for the right line.
  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    #2
    Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

    I'm delighted.

    I still believe in the honour of cricket and just because everyone else is cheating doesn't mean we should sink to their depths.


    Footy's different, you can cheat at that.

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #3
      Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

      Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
      I still believe in the honour of cricket and just because everyone else is cheating doesn't mean we should sink to their depths.
      Absolutely agree.

      Haha SS. Some of my earliest posts on WOOF was against your seeming condoning of the Australian team's atrocious behaviour, justifying it with India's equally terrible behaviour, in the 2007 Border-Gavaskar. I guess the difference in this case is in degree and nuance.

      Just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons, though, strictly speaking, is it cheating if the rules have been changed? Discuss...

      --

      On another note, a 'spin bowling summit'? I'm sure I couldn't imagine a more eclectic cauldron of eccentric characters if I tried.. would have been colourful, to say the least, eh, EJ?

      Would at least have been more erudite than a room of fast bowlers, certainly.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

        Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
        I'm delighted.

        I still believe in the honour of cricket and just because everyone else is cheating doesn't mean we should sink to their depths.


        Footy's different, you can cheat at that.
        I can hardly type this for laughing. Funny thing is, I agree.

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        • Sockeye Salmon
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6365

          #5
          Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

          Originally posted by Lantern
          Absolutely agree.

          Haha SS. Some of my earliest posts on WOOF was against your seeming condoning of the Australian team's atrocious behaviour, justifying it with India's equally terrible behaviour, in the 2007 Border-Gavaskar. I guess the difference in this case is in degree and nuance.
          I didn't (and still don't) agree with "Australian team's atrocious behaviour".

          I thought, at the time, that the Australian team were being slaughtered in the media for some pretty minor things yet significant behaviour issues from India were being accepted.

          My problem was with the double-standards and that the media seemed to be finding things to complain about that were pathetically trivial.

          "PONTING REFUSES TO SAY THANK YOU AFTER SALT IS PASSED! Calls for his sacking!"


          A fundamental part of this is that I believe sledging not only should be allowed but is a vital part of the make-up of test cricket. It's called a test because it's a test of skill, test of endurance, test of concentration and test of mental toughness.

          If you are so mentally weak that you get upset because someone said they shagged your mum then this weakness should be exploited in the same way that Hughes is getting tested by the short ball.

          The Indians and Sri Lankans in particular have a cry and complain to the media because they're softcoks who can't handle it getting tough. Bad luck. I'm not bowling half volleys and I'm not here to be your councellor. Harden the **** up.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

            Entertaining as always!

            Ps. Can't argue with anything in that post. I guess you ARE always right after all.

            Pps. Love sledging too. But there's a line.

            Ppps. The subcontinental players definitely have to harden the ... what you said.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

              Originally posted by Lantern
              Absolutely agree.

              --

              On another note, a 'spin bowling summit'? I'm sure I couldn't imagine a more eclectic cauldron of eccentric characters if I tried.. would have been colourful, to say the least, eh, EJ?

              Would at least have been more erudite than a room of fast bowlers, certainly.
              A room full of fast bowlers would take three days to agree on how to spell erudite

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                there is no line in sledging....take no prisoners i say!!
                the spelling of erudite is not the problem....useing it in context maybe!
                Spin bowlers have to be clever they generally don't have much else going for themselves...Kerry O'Keefe for example.

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                • Twodogs
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27645

                  #9
                  Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                  Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                  I didn't (and still don't) agree with "Australian team's atrocious behaviour".

                  I thought, at the time, that the Australian team were being slaughtered in the media for some pretty minor things yet significant behaviour issues from India were being accepted.

                  My problem was with the double-standards and that the media seemed to be finding things to complain about that were pathetically trivial.

                  "PONTING REFUSES TO SAY THANK YOU AFTER SALT IS PASSED! Calls for his sacking!"


                  A fundamental part of this is that I believe sledging not only should be allowed but is a vital part of the make-up of test cricket. It's called a test because it's a test of skill, test of endurance, test of concentration and test of mental toughness.

                  If you are so mentally weak that you get upset because someone said they shagged your mum then this weakness should be exploited in the same way that Hughes is getting tested by the short ball.

                  The Indians and Sri Lankans in particular have a cry and complain to the media because they're softcoks who can't handle it getting tough. Bad luck. I'm not bowling half volleys and I'm not here to be your councellor. Harden the **** up.


                  Beautifully put Jim. I agree 100% with every word.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • Twodogs
                    Administrator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 27645

                    #10
                    Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                    Originally posted by Lantern
                    On another note, a 'spin bowling summit'? I'm sure I couldn't imagine a more eclectic cauldron of eccentric characters if I tried.. would have been colourful, to say the least, eh, EJ?

                    Would at least have been more erudite than a room of fast bowlers, certainly.


                    Try a room full of wicketkeepers. Five minutes in each other's company and they are all comparing broken fingers.


                    BTW what would the collective noun be for a group of spin bowlers?
                    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                    • The Coon Dog
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 7575

                      #11
                      Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                      Originally posted by Twodogs

                      BTW what would the collective noun be for a group of spin bowlers?
                      Tweakers.
                      [COLOR="Red"][B][U][COLOR="Blue"]85, 92, 97, 98, 08, 09, 10... Break the curse![/COLOR][/U][/B][/COLOR]

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #12
                        Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                        Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                        Tweakers.
                        As in a "tweak" of Spin Bowlers?

                        What about a google of spin bowlers

                        Or a flight of spin bowlers

                        Or a Warne of spin bowlers

                        Or (in keeping it within the original Thread) a chuck of spin bowlers

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                        • ledge
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 14027

                          #13
                          Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                          A terne of spin bowlers?
                          Bring back the biff

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                          • Twodogs
                            Administrator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27645

                            #14
                            Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                            Originally posted by EJ Smith
                            What about a google of spin bowlers

                            A googly would be better wouldnt it? Google is a way of counting (or not counting in this case?) how many spinners there are.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              #15
                              Re: An interesting article for spin bowlers

                              Originally posted by Twodogs
                              A googly would be better wouldnt it? Google is a way of counting (or not counting in this case?) how many spinners there are.
                              It's a play on words

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