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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 45495

    #1

    Steven Smith

    He seems to be very much in the selectors minds. Lets not get into the NSW bias issue but is he being picked on potential or does his bowling have some genuine merit?
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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: Steven Smith

    Smith has taken all of 11 wickets (!) in his entire first class cricket, never more than 2 wickets in an innings. That's not even enough wickets to bowl out a side in a single test match in his ENTIRE first class career, so there is no 'genuine merit' whatsoever to speak of for the selectors to go on. Hilditch & co. are just trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat to salvage their shattered reputation (so they can be the guys who 'discovered' the next big thing).

    While I don't doubt that Smith may go on and do good things later in his career, putting him in at this time would be suicidal for his long-term future as he will be slaughtered and so start compromising his technique to compensate. After a couple of bad innings, he will be turned on by the Australian public and be dropped (a la Hughes, Hauritz more than a few times, Krezja et al) and then we're back to square one anyway, but this time with his reputation, confidence and technique shot to hell.

    Krezja may be expensive, but he's the most attacking spinner we have, and is a far better prospect to have 'develop' in the cauldron of Test cricket than a kid who has never even gotten district players out consistently, much less Test level batsmen. I shudder to think what the likes of Dhoni, Ghambir, Sangakarra, De Villiers or Sehwag would do to Smith's little tweakers.

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    • hujsh
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2007
      • 11958

      #3
      Re: Steven Smith

      Originally posted by Lantern
      While I don't doubt that Smith may go on and do good things later in his career, putting him in at this time would be suicidal for his long-term future as he will be slaughtered and so start compromising his technique to compensate. After a couple of bad innings, he will be turned on by the Australian public and be dropped (a la Hughes, Hauritz more than a few times, Krezja et al) and then we're back to square one anyway, but this time with his reputation, confidence and technique shot to hell.
      Sounds similar to Beau Casson.
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      • lemmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2008
        • 6593

        #4
        Re: Steven Smith

        Originally posted by hujsh
        Sounds similar to Beau Casson.
        I dont think you can compare the two, to be honest. Beau had quite an established first class career when he made his test debut and had been around for a while. He hadnt set the world alight but he had built a solid career. He wouldve been at least 26 when he debuted and had played around the 40 first class games mark. Besides, he was only in the squad because the selectors wanted a steady spinner who wouldnt get smacked around if Macgill went down. And its not like he did terribly, he took 3 for in the second innings and played a role.

        Smith is being pushed purely because he has a fair degree of potential and because he's a legspinner. But I do agree that picking him this early could do more harm then good.

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        • hujsh
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2007
          • 11958

          #5
          Re: Steven Smith

          Originally posted by lemmon
          I dont think you can compare the two, to be honest. Beau had quite an established first class career when he made his test debut and had been around for a while. He hadnt set the world alight but he had built a solid career. He wouldve been at least 26 when he debuted and had played around the 40 first class games mark. Besides, he was only in the squad because the selectors wanted a steady spinner who wouldnt get smacked around if Macgill went down. And its not like he did terribly, he took 3 for in the second innings and played a role.

          Smith is being pushed purely because he has a fair degree of potential and because he's a legspinner. But I do agree that picking him this early could do more harm then good.
          I wasn't. I mean't the scenario Lantern described sounded like the fate of the man named Casson
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          • Rocco Jones
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jun 2008
            • 6984

            #6
            Re: Steven Smith

            Agree with a lot of the comments about Smith not being ready and how it can do more harm than good. I am definitely not a subscriber to the theory that playing at the highest level is automatically a good thing for development.

            A quality leg spinner takes risks. Playing Smith who is so raw could really promote a survival mentality, which can really hurt a leggie.

            If we are going to play a young spinner it should be Holland imo (sounds biased I know!). Holland already has a solid base with a tie up an end type default if things aren't going well. I think he is the type of player who would actually get confidence from playing at the highest level.

            I think part of not playing Krejza is that if he does well, they don't want to be pressure into dropping Hauritz. I see them as clearly the best two options at the moment with Hauritz being the solid option and Krejza more of a wicket taker. Fwiw I rate Hauritz a lot higher now than I have in the past (coming from a very low base) and definitely see him as our 'best' option.

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11958

              #7
              Re: Steven Smith

              I'll rate Hauritz when he gets wickets on a 4th or 5th day. If he's getting all his wickets in the 1st innings we may as well have a seamer instead.
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              • Rocco Jones
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jun 2008
                • 6984

                #8
                Re: Steven Smith

                Originally posted by hujsh
                I'll rate Hauritz when he gets wickets on a 4th or 5th day. If he's getting all his wickets in the 1st innings we may as well have a seamer instead.
                By rate him I mean:
                - Higher than I used to, which was extremely low (as a test bowler)
                - Relative to other spinners in Australia.

                I definitely would look at playing a seamer. I really don't see the 4th bowler as having to be a spinner unless the deck really demanding it, as long at they offer variety.

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                • chef
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 14746

                  #9
                  Re: Steven Smith

                  Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                  By rate him I mean:
                  - Higher than I used to, which was extremely low (as a test bowler)
                  - Relative to other spinners in Australia.

                  I definitely would look at playing a seamer. I really don't see the 4th bowler as having to be a spinner unless the deck really demanding it, as long at they offer variety.
                  Don't we already have four seamers in the team(Johnson, Bollinger, Siddle and Watson)?
                  Last edited by chef; 27-12-2009, 06:57 PM.
                  The curse is dead.

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                  • hujsh
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 11958

                    #10
                    Re: Steven Smith

                    Originally posted by chef
                    I don't we already have four seamers in the team(Johnson, Bollinger, Siddle and Watson)?
                    4 bowlers and one allrounder.
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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 45495

                      #11
                      Re: Steven Smith

                      Originally posted by hujsh
                      4 bowlers and one allrounder.
                      The alternative is having 4 paceman and the change up bowler is also quick. Seems very unbalanced. As long as Watson is fit to bowl, the spinners will be very happy because there will be a spot for them.
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                      • Rocco Jones
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 6984

                        #12
                        Re: Steven Smith

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        The alternative is having 4 paceman and the change up bowler is also quick. Seems very unbalanced. As long as Watson is fit to bowl, the spinners will be very happy because there will be a spot for them.
                        Yep. I did post about not having to play a spinner but as I said in the other thread, I think it's too much of a waste to play anything other than a spinner when Watson is in the side. Haddin and Johnson at 7 and 8 also mean batting ability isn't a major concern for the 4th bowler, which is Steve Smith's major strength over his rivals at the moment.

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                        • lemmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 6593

                          #13
                          Re: Steven Smith

                          Originally posted by hujsh
                          I wasn't. I mean't the scenario Lantern described sounded like the fate of the man named Casson
                          Yeah and if you read my entire post rather then highlighting the first sentence you would realise that is what i was talking about.

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                          • chef
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14746

                            #14
                            Re: Steven Smith

                            Originally posted by hujsh
                            4 bowlers and one allrounder.
                            We have 4 quicks and 1 spinner. Watson is a quality bowler.
                            The curse is dead.

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                            • hujsh
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 11958

                              #15
                              Re: Steven Smith

                              Originally posted by lemmon
                              Yeah and if you read my entire post rather then highlighting the first sentence you would realise that is what i was talking about.
                              I did read the whole post and am quite aware of what you were talking about.
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