Sth Africa V England

[ledge]

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This is like an Ernie Sigley thread.

Maybe you have an idea on why it was not deemed wrong?

[The Coon Dog]

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Maybe you have an idea on why it was not deemed wrong?

It wasn't deemed wrong because South Africa didn't report it as they should of. It was clearly wrong.

[ledge]

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Does a team have to report it if its so blatantly obvious as they say?
I was informed they did report it on the day dont know if that was true though.
Does it matter how a team reports it?
If its wrong its wrong who cares on how its reported as long as its reported, obviously it was reported as the cricket admin did look at it, but still deemed it okay.

How can it be so wrong but not in the eyes of who is in charge?

[The Coon Dog]

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Does a team have to report it if its so blatantly obvious as they say?
I was informed they did report it on the day dont know if that was true though.
Does it matter how a team reports it?
If its wrong its wrong who cares on how its reported as long as its reported, obviously it was reported as the cricket admin did look at it, but still deemed it okay.

How can it be so wrong but not in the eyes of who is in charge?

It can only be investigated if there is an official complaint lodged. SA didn't lodge one, so whilst there can be no investigation/penalties, doesn't mean it was right.

[GVGjr]

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And from the clip i saw a white spot he took off not leather picking, no commentary on i had volume off.

The inside if the leather is white. What you saw being picked out is leather, nothing else.
That act in itself is ball tampering.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Where did i say that and remember just because SA think they threw it back to rough it up does that make it true?
Its an opinion they made but the cricket chiefs did not agree.

If you look at the video, his hands arent near the seam and there is a white thing on the ball that looks like a little stone he takes off.

I already said its cheating if you do it and what Broad did is wrong, but as i said if its so obvious why did the cricket chiefs clear it?

If all these things were done i agree ban players etc but you say this team has been doing it for years, why has nothing been done?

The problem either lies with the chiefs having no guts or is it just sooking by teams who cant seem to get over the line.

That's one of the most biased posts I've ever read.

[ledge]

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It can only be investigated if there is an official complaint lodged. SA didn't lodge one, so whilst there can be no investigation/penalties, doesn't mean it was right.

So let me get this right SA didnt make an official complaint.

For them not to make a complaint tells you what?

Tells me they didnt see it as a complaint to be made and from what i did read they did investigate and cleared it.

So in a press conference they go all out on it but dont put in an official complaint?

So if it can only be investigated if a complaint is lodged how was it investigated and cleared?

Very wierd all round if you ask me.

This is not about whats wrong or right its about how the rules are to stop it if it is true.

[Dogs 24/7]

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That's one of the most biased posts I've ever read.

I used to find ledges comments a bit comical especially when it looked like he was baiting The Coon Dog ages ago with questions just to get a rise out of him but after having a read of the Lovett thread and now this one Im not sure if he is having a lend or missing the point by a long way.
Based on the evidence I have seen I think the Poms would be happy that an official complaint wasnt made.

[LostDoggy]

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For the all the allegations, not sure what it achieved, SA batted pretty well.
I'm not for cheating which is what bowl tampering is but the batsman get it far to easy these days with more pitches suiting them and bat technology helping them. Hats off to the bowlers for trying something different.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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For the all the allegations, not sure what it achieved, SA batted pretty well.
I'm not for cheating which is what bowl tampering is but the batsman get it far to easy these days with more pitches suiting them and bat technology helping them. Hats off to the bowlers for trying something different.

I agree that batsmen get it pretty cushy these days but cheating is still cheating, even if it's unsuccessful. I don't like chucking and I don't like ball tampering.

[mighty_west]

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I agree that batsmen get it pretty cushy these days but cheating is still cheating, even if it's unsuccessful. I don't like chucking and I don't like ball tampering.

Exactly, rules are rules, and for anyone to suggest it's ok to tamper with the ball in anyway just to make it easier for the bowlers and even if it did nothing to help out the Poms this time around, you still have to play by the rules.

I don't see why it should be Sth Africa's responsibilty to make an official complaint anyway, if the ICC had any balls, they would nip this in the bud straight away and make sure things like this don't occur again, if if they do, extremely harsh penalties, you just can't have players do what they like.

[LostDoggy]

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What about bat thicknesses and weights. It's not cheating but bordering on getting out of hand.

[mighty_west]

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What about bat thicknesses and weights. It's not cheating but bordering on getting out of hand.

A thicker bat also gives the bat a much thicker edge!

[LostDoggy]

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A thicker bat also gives the bat a much thicker edge!

You don't bat with the edge facing forward.

[ledge]

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I used to find ledges comments a bit comical especially when it looked like he was baiting The Coon Dog ages ago with questions just to get a rise out of him but after having a read of the Lovett thread and now this one Im not sure if he is having a lend or missing the point by a long way.
Based on the evidence I have seen I think the Poms would be happy that an official complaint wasnt made.

I just try and look at things different ways for discussion, to be honest i dont look at most of the people i make comments with, TCD well i have known him for years, no malice intended with anyone, i respect peoples views.

I agree the poms are probably happy, i just dont understand why they didnt make a complaint if its so bad and i did read they did investigate it and clear it.

What are the reasons they didnt officially complain?
No one seems to know.