Ranking the bowlers

[chef]

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Bollinger bowls a bit like Ian Botham in that he looks ordinary but he's the one getting the wickets.

Johnson bowls some crap too, but he gets wickets and thats what matters the most.

[anfo27]

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Johnson bowls some crap too, but he gets wickets and thats what matters the most.

Yeah but Johnson has the ability to bowl unplayable deliveries and so does Siddle but haven't really seen that from Bollinger.

[chef]

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Off the top of my head Siddles economy rate was better than Bollinger & Siddle had more play & misses than any other bowler this summer.

If you haven't seen every spell bowled(as you said earlier), how do you know that Siddles had more plays and misses than Bollinger or any other bowler?

Bollingers stats

Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 6 12 1345 651 27 5/70 8/141 24.11 2.90 49.8 1 1 0
ODIs 11 11 590 384 20 5/35 5/35 19.20 3.90 29.5 0 2 0
First-class 60 10836 5890 205 6/47 28.73 3.26 52.8 9 11 2
List A 64 3186 2453 88 5/35 5/35 27.87 4.61 36.2 2 2 0
Twenty20 19 18 385 494 15 3/22 3/22 32.93 7.69 25.6 0 0 0

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4508.html

Siddles stats

Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 17 32 3763 1892 60 5/21 8/113 31.53 3.01 62.7 2 2 0
ODIs 15 14 660 499 14 3/55 3/55 35.64 4.53 47.1 0 0 0
T20Is 1 1 24 24 2 2/24 2/24 12.00 6.00 12.0 0 0 0
First-class 32 55 6062 3136 109 6/57 9/167 28.77 3.10 55.6 3 6 0
List A 30 29 1410 1060 33 4/27 4/27 32.12 4.51 42.7 1 0 0
Twenty20 10 10 234 266 8 2/24 2/24 33.25 6.82 29.2 0 0 0

Bollingers stats look pretty good to me. I don't enjoy doing this as I was a Siddle lover before this summer.

Against Pakistan this summer(in Tests)
Bollinger
12 wickets Ave 21.53 ECRate 2.70 STRate 48.8
Siddle
8 wickets Ave 32.75 ECRate 2.66 STRate 73.7

Against WI(in Tests(they both only played two))
Bollinger
13 wickets Ave 19.84 ECRate 3.09 STRate 38.4
Siddle
3 wickets Ave 70.66 ECRate 3.78 STRate 112.0


I may be in the minority, but I would rather Bollinger bowling then Siddle.

[chef]

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Yeah but Johnson has the ability to bowl unplayable deliveries and so does Siddle but haven't really seen that from Bollinger.

I don't agree with this.

[Go_Dogs]

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I may be in the minority, but I would rather Bollinger bowling then Siddle.

I agree without a second of doubt.

[Mantis]

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Interesting to read that Krejza has been dropped from the Tasmanian team for it's upcoming Shield game.

[anfo27]

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I don't agree with this.

What part don't you agree with?

Are you saying that Johnson & Siddle don't bowl unplayable deliveries or that Bollinger also has that same ability?

[GVGjr]

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Interesting to read that Krejza has been dropped from the Tasmanian team for it's upcoming Shield game.

I think he also got dropped for a FRC game as well. I don't think it's form related.

[chef]

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What part don't you agree with?
Are you saying that Johnson & Siddle don't bowl unplayable deliveries or that Bollinger also has that same ability?

Sorry, the bit about Bollinger not having the same ability to bowl unplayable deliveries as Siddle. But you didn't say he didn't this ability, just that you haven't seen it.

They have all got the ability to bowl an unplayable delivery, but I don't think Siddle does it a much as the other two.

[chef]

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I think he also got dropped for a FRC game as well. I don't think it's form related.

He hasn't been in great form anyway and hopefully Doherty can get a game.

[anfo27]

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If you haven't seen every spell bowled(as you said earlier), how do you know that Siddles had more plays and misses than Bollinger or any other bowler?

Bollingers stats

Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 6 12 1345 651 27 5/70 8/141 24.11 2.90 49.8 1 1 0
ODIs 11 11 590 384 20 5/35 5/35 19.20 3.90 29.5 0 2 0
First-class 60 10836 5890 205 6/47 28.73 3.26 52.8 9 11 2
List A 64 3186 2453 88 5/35 5/35 27.87 4.61 36.2 2 2 0
Twenty20 19 18 385 494 15 3/22 3/22 32.93 7.69 25.6 0 0 0

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4508.html

Siddles stats

Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 17 32 3763 1892 60 5/21 8/113 31.53 3.01 62.7 2 2 0
ODIs 15 14 660 499 14 3/55 3/55 35.64 4.53 47.1 0 0 0
T20Is 1 1 24 24 2 2/24 2/24 12.00 6.00 12.0 0 0 0
First-class 32 55 6062 3136 109 6/57 9/167 28.77 3.10 55.6 3 6 0
List A 30 29 1410 1060 33 4/27 4/27 32.12 4.51 42.7 1 0 0
Twenty20 10 10 234 266 8 2/24 2/24 33.25 6.82 29.2 0 0 0

Bollingers stats look pretty good to me. I don't enjoy doing this as I was a Siddle lover before this summer.

Against Pakistan this summer(in Tests)
Bollinger
12 wickets Ave 21.53 ECRate 2.70 STRate 48.8
Siddle
8 wickets Ave 32.75 ECRate 2.66 STRate 73.7

Against WI(in Tests(they both only played two))
Bollinger
13 wickets Ave 19.84 ECRate 3.09 STRate 38.4
Siddle
3 wickets Ave 70.66 ECRate 3.78 STRate 112.0


I may be in the minority, but I would rather Bollinger bowling then Siddle.

From the spells i saw thats how i saw it. Stats don't really mean a hell of a lot sometimes as you can pull out any stat to help any argument you like. Siddle bowled with a hell of a lot of bad luck while Bollinger had a lot of good luck. For me Siddles good spells helped Bollinger pick up wickets & Siddle has Bollinger for pace.

I also think Bollinger has been helped by the fact he hasn't been on the international seen that long & wouldn't have a great deal of respect from opposition batsmen. it will be interesting to see how his career pans out over the next couple of years.

I think i am in the minority but i would have Siddle over Bollinger everyday of the week

[chef]

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From the spells i saw thats how i saw it. Stats don't really mean a hell of a lot sometimes as you can pull out any stat to help any argument you like. Siddle bowled with a hell of a lot of bad luck while Bollinger had a lot of good luck. For me Siddles good spells helped Bollinger pick up wickets & Siddle has Bollinger for pace.

I also think Bollinger has been helped by the fact he hasn't been on the international seen that long & wouldn't have a great deal of respect from opposition batsmen. it will be interesting to see how his career pans out over the next couple of years.

I think i am in the minority but i would have Siddle over Bollinger everyday of the week

We will have to agree to disagee

Hopefully Siddle can get back and bowling well after he recovers from his back stress fractures so he can prove one of us right.

[anfo27]

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We will have to agree to disagee

Hopefully Siddle can get back and bowling well after he recovers from his back stress fractures so he can prove one of us right.

Agreed.

[chef]

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Gale has really turned into Bollinger's Bitch this summer.

[mighty_west]

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Gale has really turned into Bollinger's Bitch this summer.

Bollinger who? is that what Chris said when asked about Dougie before a ball had been bowled?

In regards to the Bollinger v Siddle debate, the way i see it, is that Bollinger would be harder to face than Siddle, both have big hearts, and would run in all day of required, Siddle kind of reminds me of Dizzy in a way that he also bowled without alot of luck, but at the end of the day, you are going to go in with the player who can be more damaging.

Is Siddle the better bowler than Bollinger? you can only really judge them on performances.