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  • The Coon Dog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7575

    Ashes - First Test

    Starts: Thursday 25 November
    Where: Gabba

    Probable Line Ups

    Australia
    Katich
    Watson
    Ponting
    Clarke
    Hussey
    North
    Haddin
    Johnson
    Doherty
    Hilfenhuas
    Siddle


    England

    Strauss
    Cook
    Trott
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Prior
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Finn

    It's harder to get out of the Australian Test team than it is to get in, that's why Hussey & North survive. The 3rd quick comes down to a toss of the coin between Siddle & Bollinger, with Siddle getting the nod. Khawaja on standby if Clarke's back doesn't come up.

    England appear pretty settled with most of their batsmen getting runs at some stage so far on tour. Australia's batsmen so far have suffered from injury or form.

    I must say I like the lead in by England where they have had a number of 4 day hit outs to acclimatise, much better in my view than some touring teams who have a 20/20 game as their lead in.


    The Gabba

    There has been a bit of rain in Brisbane which has pundits guessing what effect this may have on the Gabba pitch. The Gabba usually assists the bowlers for the first session & a half, so not losing early wickets could be the key. I still reckon the team that wins the toss will bat.

    Interesting to hear Matthew Hayden on radio today say that the Gabba is the quickest pitch in the world. When queried about Perth, he said the WACA of 10 years ago, but not now, definitely the Gabba. He did also say that once you 'get in' the Gabba is the best pitch to bat on in the world from half way through the first day until the end of day 3, when spin plays a part from day 4 onwards.


    Prognosis

    Could go either way. If the side batting first can weather the early storm, they'll fancy themselves to go on & win the game, particularly bowling last.

    Lets be honest, both teams aren't world beaters right now & both have the ability to be bowled out for under 200.

    Both captains appear to be targets for the opposition, with suggestions both are suspect to the short ball, although we hear more about Ponting in this regard. He wouldn't want to be out cheaply hooking in the first test.

    Katich/Watson & Strauss/Cook both appear solid opening combinations.

    Both middle orders are about as reliable as Billy Bowden getting a decision right. Both can accumulate runs, both can fail miserably. Of Australia's middle order, England will want to dismiss Clarke cheaply, likewise Pietersen.

    Swann as a spinner gives England a huge advantage.

    Johnson, Hilfenhaus & Siddle need to be consistant & not leak runs. Watson gives Australia a bowling advantage as he can bowl well, importantly giving his fellow quicks a decent rest. England's 2 main quicks in Broad & Anderson will trouble Australia. Finn is the unknown & potentially a weak link, never having bowled here before.

    A huge psychological bonus for the winner. I reckon this test match has the potential to intrigue us with many turns before it concludes. Captaincy & I mean good captaincy; field positions, bowling changes etc... will be crucial & one of the reason people like myself & Twodogs will always prefer Test Cricket.

    Australia might just nick it I fancy, but with absolutely no confidence whatsoever.
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  • lemmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2008
    • 6441

    #2
    Re: Ashes - First Test

    If Siddle gets the nod over Bollinger (unless Bolli's underdone) then I'll go heave. Bollinger led the attack last summer, a fine effort for someone with so few tests, I'm not his biggest fan and believe his record is inflated by the opposition he's played but Siddle is massively overrated. Hes got a big heart and he's young but what kind of bowler is he? He isnt devestatingly fast nor threatening so hes not an enforcer, doesnt swing the ball, isnt tight enough with his lines and leaks runs. Hes young enough to go back to shield level and really refine himself but at the moment I'd have him behind both Bollinger and Harris.

    I think this is one of the better prepared England side to tour and Strauss is a strong leader but how far will this preperation get them? I cant see Anderson being a big factor with the ball, Finn is untested and I'm not sure whether Broad is up to leading the attack, he'll have to have a massive series along with Swann (who I also believe is overrated, he towled up Pakistan and Bangladesh but struggled against us and India). The Pommy batting relies on too few for me, Strauss will make runs, Cook doesnt scare me, Trott has been lean for a while and I feel may be one of the first to be found out, Collingwoods a fighter but wont win them the series. The two unknowns are Bell and the big one Pietersen, I feel safe in saying you can basically lock in Strauss for runs, but Pietersen and Bell have to fire. Pietersen loves the big occasion and aussie conditions, has looked a shadow of his former self lately but if ever theres an occasion he's made for this is it. This series will define his career, batting great or unfulfilled talent. Bell is in a similiar boat, a stuttery career has left him with a lot of doubters but the technique is there, if he can conquer the scars and score consisent runs he may be the series winner. Hes a good player to watch but the temperment is lacking, if he can come to the fore on the bouncy tracks against the quick bowlers and stand up then the English batting seems a lot more solid then if he folds.

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    • Sockeye Salmon
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6365

      #3
      Re: Ashes - First Test

      Originally posted by The Coon Dog

      The Gabba

      There has been a bit of rain in Brisbane which has pundits guessing what effect this may have on the Gabba pitch. The Gabba usually assists the bowlers for the first session & a half, so not losing early wickets could be the key. I still reckon the team that wins the toss will bat.

      Interesting to hear Matthew Hayden on radio today say that the Gabba is the quickest pitch in the world. When queried about Perth, he said the WACA of 10 years ago, but not now, definitely the Gabba. He did also say that once you 'get in' the Gabba is the best pitch to bat on in the world from half way through the first day until the end of day 3, when spin plays a part from day 4 onwards.
      I saw a shot of the centre wicket on the news tonight with a sign hanging on a pole saying, "Keep off, wicket block wet"

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      • chef
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2008
        • 14504

        #4
        Re: Ashes - First Test

        Originally posted by lemmon
        If Siddle gets the nod over Bollinger (unless Bolli's underdone) then I'll go heave.
        This^^

        Siddle and Johnson cannot play in the same attack.
        The curse is dead.

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #5
          Re: Ashes - First Test

          Sounds like they should be playing all 4 pace man and Watson.

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          • The Coon Dog
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 7575

            #6
            Re: Ashes - First Test

            Originally posted by chef
            This^^

            Siddle and Johnson cannot play in the same attack.
            From Fox Sports:

            'So no wonder Bollinger is standing by his stats as national selectors mull over which fast bowler to give the dreaded tap on the shoulder ahead of the first Ashes Test in Brisbane.

            Yet Bollinger is still tipped to be overlooked due to something that is not in his resume - match fitness.

            His lack of first-class bowling after breaking down in India with an abdominal strain in October is expected to cost him his spot when the first Team is finalised.'
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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15230

              #7
              Re: Ashes - First Test

              Originally posted by lemmon
              If Siddle gets the nod over Bollinger (unless Bolli's underdone) then I'll go heave. Bollinger led the attack last summer, a fine effort for someone with so few tests, I'm not his biggest fan and believe his record is inflated by the opposition he's played but Siddle is massively overrated. Hes got a big heart and he's young but what kind of bowler is he? He isnt devestatingly fast nor threatening so hes not an enforcer, doesnt swing the ball, isnt tight enough with his lines and leaks runs. Hes young enough to go back to shield level and really refine himself but at the moment I'd have him behind both Bollinger and Harris.
              He has bowled about 25 overs in 6 weeks... of course he is underdone.

              And the heaving part is a joke... You have the audacity to get up the rest of the posters on this forum who voice their displeasure at the continual selection of the likes of North & Hussey, but then question the Sidde v Bollinger selection which is much more a line ball decision.

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              • ledge
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2007
                • 14043

                #8
                Re: Ashes - First Test

                I love reading peoples thoughts on players and how they will go in the latest series, because after the series most are way off the mark and you have a good laugh.

                I am too scared to do one for that reason, mine would probably be hilarious but made sense at the time of writing (or maybe not)
                Bring back the biff

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                • Bulldog Joe
                  Premiership Moderator
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 5457

                  #9
                  Re: Ashes - First Test

                  Originally posted by lemmon
                  The Pommy batting relies on too few for me, Strauss will make runs, Cook doesnt scare me, Trott has been lean for a while and I feel may be one of the first to be found out,
                  So a lean Trott for English batting will be appreciated by Australian supporters.
                  Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                  • The Coon Dog
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 7575

                    #10
                    Re: Ashes - First Test

                    Originally posted by lemmon
                    If Siddle gets the nod over Bollinger (unless Bolli's underdone) then I'll go heave..
                    On Twitter:

                    Ricky confirms Bollinger and Khawaja out - Clarke will play.

                    &

                    The 11 has been picked bad luck to my buddy Doug but he will be back.. Very happy for Xavier.. Bring on tomorrow (Michael Clarke).
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                    • Sockeye Salmon
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6365

                      #11
                      Re: Ashes - First Test

                      Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                      On Twitter:

                      Ricky confirms Bollinger and Khawaja out - Clarke will play.

                      &

                      The 11 has been picked bad luck to my buddy Doug but he will be back.. Very happy for Xavier.. Bring on tomorrow (Michael Clarke).
                      I think Bollinger is our best bowler but you can't just walk up and play when you've been out for so long so I have no problem with him missing out.

                      This isn't the worst selection they've made over the last few years.

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                      • Topdog
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 7471

                        #12
                        Re: Ashes - First Test

                        Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

                        This isn't the worst selection they've made over the last few years.
                        It's not even the worst selection they've made in the last few days.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: Ashes - First Test

                          Originally posted by Topdog
                          It's not even the worst selection they've made in the last few days.
                          True that.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 65685

                            #14
                            Re: Ashes - First Test

                            Winning the toss and making the right decision will determine this test.
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                            • FrediKanoute
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 3803

                              #15
                              Re: Ashes - First Test

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              Winning the toss and making the right decision will determine this test.
                              Win the toss, bat to lunch without loss and then start to wear the B*stards down!

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