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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #16
    Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

    Originally posted by FrediKanoute
    BTW, best penalty taker in world football at the mo = Dimitar Berbatov!
    Kevin Muscat

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6686

      #17
      Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

      Originally posted by FrediKanoute
      Having just seen Spurs go down in penalties my love for them has not diminished at all......I love the nerves, the ability of players to go from hero to vilain and theagony of completely f*cking it up!

      Sorts the men from the boys and proves that sport is 90% mental! BTW, best penalty taker in world football at the mo = Dimitar Berbatov!
      I've said it before and I'll say it again. As far as I'm concerned there are no 'villains' in Penalty Shoot-outs. If you've got the grapefruits to step up and take a kick you're a hero to begin with.

      Heroes are made in shoot-outs, not villains.

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      • Sockeye Salmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6365

        #18
        Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

        Originally posted by westdog54
        I've said it before and I'll say it again. As far as I'm concerned there are no 'villains' in Penalty Shoot-outs. If you've got the grapefruits to step up and take a kick you're a hero to begin with.

        Heroes are made in shoot-outs, not villains.
        That is so not true. Politically correct wank.

        The manager decides who steps up to the spot (presumably based on training form), he doesn't ask for volunteers. All the cards are in the kicktakers favour, they should score and if they can handle pressure they will score.

        The villians are the ones who can't handle the pressure and perform a skill they can do with their eyes closed at training.

        Goalkeepers are the ones with nothing to lose.

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        • westdog54
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
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          #19
          Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
          That is so not true. Politically correct wank.

          The manager decides who steps up to the spot (presumably based on training form), he doesn't ask for volunteers. All the cards are in the kicktakers favour, they should score and if they can handle pressure they will score.

          The villians are the ones who can't handle the pressure and perform a skill they can do with their eyes closed at training.

          Goalkeepers are the ones with nothing to lose.
          Which is exactly my point.

          All the pressure is on the kicker. The goalkeeper decides left or right.

          The statement that 'all the cards are in the kicktakers favour' is about as simplistic as it gets.

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          • LostDoggy
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            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #20
            Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

            Originally posted by westdog54
            The goalkeeper decides left or right.

            Seen many a penalty go straight. Otherwise yes I agree the game is set up for the keeper to be a hero and penalty taker a villian.

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            • Sockeye Salmon
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
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              #21
              Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

              Originally posted by westdog54
              Which is exactly my point.

              All the pressure is on the kicker. The goalkeeper decides left or right.

              The statement that 'all the cards are in the kicktakers favour' is about as simplistic as it gets.
              How more complicated can it be?

              At training he steps up to the spot and nails every one. All of a sudden all the pressure's on him and as he walks up to the spot he sees the goal shrinking.

              It's all mental.

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              • westdog54
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 6686

                #22
                Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                How more complicated can it be?

                At training he steps up to the spot and nails every one. All of a sudden all the pressure's on him and as he walks up to the spot he sees the goal shrinking.

                It's all mental.
                Give me a break SS.

                Does Brendan Fevola kick every goal at training? Does Tiger Woods nail every practice putt he makes? Did Andrew Gaze make every free-throw at training?

                To say "At training he steps up to the spot and nails every one" is downright foolery.

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                • Topdog
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 7483

                  #23
                  Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                  Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

                  The manager decides who steps up to the spot (presumably based on training form), he doesn't ask for volunteers. All the cards are in the kicktakers favour, they should score and if they can handle pressure they will score.

                  The villians are the ones who can't handle the pressure and perform a skill they can do with their eyes closed at training.
                  Not always. Most of the time it is up to the players to decide.

                  My respect for Chimbo went through the roof the other day when I found out that he has never taken a penalty before, misses in training and yet still had the gumption to take the last penalty kick for Spurs ahead of Lennon and more shockingly Malbranque who used to be the regular penalty taker for Fulham.

                  In a sense that has made Mabs a villian in my book.

                  What do people think of Baggio? Was he a hero or villian in Italy after that kick?

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                  • The Coon Dog
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 7579

                    #24
                    Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                    Originally posted by Topdog
                    What do people think of Baggio? Was he a hero or villian in Italy after that kick?
                    Most Italians I know see him as a villian.
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                    • westdog54
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6686

                      #25
                      Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                      Originally posted by The Coon Dog
                      Most Italians I know see him as a villian.
                      When you're an Italian footballer, it takes very little to become a villian in the eyes of a public.

                      In Baggio's case, not only did he miss that penalty, he had a very indifferent world cup. He wasn't all that fit, he was out of form, a couple of weeks he'd probably rather forget.

                      To compound all of that, he had done something that was simply not accepted by the Catholic heartland that is Italy. He had embraced Buddhism. The public decided that turning his back on God had been the cause of this downfall.

                      That's Italian football for you.

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                      • Sockeye Salmon
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6365

                        #26
                        Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                        Originally posted by westdog54
                        Give me a break SS.

                        Does Brendan Fevola kick every goal at training? Does Tiger Woods nail every practice putt he makes? Did Andrew Gaze make every free-throw at training?

                        To say "At training he steps up to the spot and nails every one" is downright foolery.
                        Yes.

                        A penalty is taken from what, 9 metres. Thats about as certain as Fev from 20m out or Tiger from 3 feet. These guys would nail every one without any pressure.

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                        • LostDoggy
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                          • Jan 2007
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                          #27
                          Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                          Baggio was not the villian in Italy.
                          He basically single handedly put them in the final. He torn his hammy in the semi and should never have played a game 3 or 4 days later. Indifferent tournament, I don't know. Had they have won he would have been the player of the tournment.
                          The Italian soccer fans don't give a stuff about whether he is Catholic or Bhuddist,. Football itself is a religion there.
                          The coach seems to be the villian more in Italy

                          If Baggio is a villain its in Florence, where he left Fiorentina for more money at Juventus.

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                          • westdog54
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
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                            #28
                            Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                            Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                            Yes.

                            A penalty is taken from what, 9 metres. Thats about as certain as Fev from 20m out or Tiger from 3 feet. These guys would nail every one without any pressure.
                            Really?

                            In one of the most important games they've ever played in?

                            With the entire world watching their every move on Television?

                            With anything up to 50,000 people in the crowd doing anything humanly possible to distract them?

                            With a highly skilled man standing that 9 metres away, who is allowed to stop the ball?

                            Imagine how Tiger would go if someone was allowed to throw something at his ball to keep it out of the cup.

                            Rubbish comparison.

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                            • Sockeye Salmon
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                              • Jan 2007
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                              #29
                              Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                              Originally posted by westdog54
                              Really?

                              In one of the most important games they've ever played in?

                              With the entire world watching their every move on Television?

                              With anything up to 50,000 people in the crowd doing anything humanly possible to distract them?

                              With a highly skilled man standing that 9 metres away, who is allowed to stop the ball?

                              Imagine how Tiger would go if someone was allowed to throw something at his ball to keep it out of the cup.

                              Rubbish comparison.
                              That's my point. It's all about handling the pressure.

                              Tiger would make 100/100 at practice from 3 feet. Stand over a 3 footer on the 18th on a Sunday and all of a sudden that putt looks a whole lot longer than a 3 footer - and Tiger would nail it because he could handle the pressure. Not every player could.

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                              • westdog54
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 6686

                                #30
                                Re: Penalty Shoot Outs

                                Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                                That's my point. It's all about handling the pressure.

                                Tiger would make 100/100 at practice from 3 feet. Stand over a 3 footer on the 18th on a Sunday and all of a sudden that putt looks a whole lot longer than a 3 footer - and Tiger would nail it because he could handle the pressure. Not every player could.
                                But for a golfer, they're playing another tournament in a couple of weeks, they get another shot soon enough.

                                For a Footballer, that's it for the year/tournament/career/life in some circumstances.

                                And the golfer gets his putt in complete silence. I'm sure the footballer would love that luxury.

                                And as for Tiger Woods, you're using possibly the greatest sportsman in the world at the moment as your comparison. A tad unfair perhaps?

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