Third Test- Aus V Sri Lanka, The SCG

[chef]

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Wade looks like a batsman who can keep a bit(should have taken that catch that Clarke took). To bad Paine's finger has ruined his career.

[Happy Days]

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Wade looks like a batsman who can keep a bit(should have taken that catch that Clarke took). To bad Paine's finger has ruined his career.

Paine will play at least a couple of ODIs this summer

[chef]

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Paine will play at least a couple of ODIs this summer

He should be in the Test team.

[lemmon]

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Wade looks like a batsman who can keep a bit(should have taken that catch that Clarke took). To bad Paine's finger has ruined his career.

Really feel for Lyon, Wade would have to get lucky to hang onto an edge behind, its destroying his figures. Warne would've been half the player he was without the tidiness of Healy and Gilchrist.

Not sold on Paines batting though, one first class hundred for a guy of his age and experience isn't good enough. Nevill has gone backwards this year with Haddin coming back and taking the gloves. I still like Hartley, the best gloveman in the land and a street fighter with the bat.

Not saying I would take the gloves off Wadey but if it happened Haddin is as much a chance at the gig as any

[Rocco Jones]

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Even if Paine warrants test selection, Wade's average of 45 from his 9 tests means he warrants a spot for his batting alone at the moment and I stress at the moment.

A batting average of 40 is par to get into the Australian at the moment.

[Rocco Jones]

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Important to remember Haddin was struggling with the gloves too before he was dropped.

[GVGjr]

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Did anyone see the build up to the run out of Matthews? Straight after the drinks break there was 3 or 4 overs of tight bowling where Sri Lanka didn't score a run. The pressure got to much for them and they tried to force something.

We need more little spells like that where we tie up the batsman for a period of time.

[lemmon]

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Important to remember Haddin was struggling with the gloves too before he was dropped.

I've seen a bit of Paine this year and its quite clear his keeping isn't at the same level it was, looked real ordinary at the MCG for Tassie, shelled a dolly and palmed another one up to first slip that he should've taken. He's put a few down in the BBL as well, not to mention averaged sub 20 in the shield. If we want a pure keeper its still Hartley, has been the best shield keeper since Graham Manou hung up the gloves. As a pure keeper the South Australian Tim Ludeman is another efficient gloveman, problem is he was on the verge of being dropped from the red backs because of his batting, would bat at 9 for Australia

[GVGjr]

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Really feel for Lyon, Wade would have to get lucky to hang onto an edge behind, its destroying his figures. Warne would've been half the player he was without the tidiness of Healy and Gilchrist.

Not sold on Paines batting though, one first class hundred for a guy of his age and experience isn't good enough. Nevill has gone backwards this year with Haddin coming back and taking the gloves. I still like Hartley, the best gloveman in the land and a street fighter with the bat.

Not saying I would take the gloves off Wadey but if it happened Haddin is as much a chance at the gig as any

I think Wade is lucky to have the job and at the time I think I would have gone with Neville.
Regarding Paine, I think we need to look past his batting averages etc because I think he has a Test standard temperament. The issue is if his injuries will prevent him going further.

Never rated Hartley's batting but it has come along heaps in the last 18 months. I think he would be a solid selection but we won't look past Wade anytime soon.

We need to resist the temptation to bat him at 6 though.

[GVGjr]

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What does everyone think of our field standards at the moment? Losing Ponting has had an impact and losing Hussey won't help either.
The knock on Khawaja is that he is an average fieldsman.

Warner is excellent but how many of our boys are solids fieldsman?

[GVGjr]

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Even if Paine warrants test selection, Wade's average of 45 from his 9 tests means he warrants a spot for his batting alone at the moment and I stress at the moment.

A batting average of 40 is par to get into the Australian at the moment.

Bat Wade as a specialist number 6 and he might become the all-rounder

[lemmon]

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I think Wade is lucky to have the job and at the time I think I would have gone with Neville..

Needs to get out of NSW if he wants to push his claims, playing as a batsman is ending any chance of higher honours. Have to accept Haddin will be around for the next two seasons in the hope of an Ashes callup and will keep being picked as the Blues first choice glove man. By that time he'll be 29 and lost any chance. Few states could do with a good glove man...and is a Victorian by birth

[lemmon]

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What does everyone think of our field standards at the moment? Losing Ponting has had an impact and losing Hussey won't help either.
The knock on Khawaja is that he is an average fieldsman.

Warner is excellent but how many of our boys are solids fieldsman?

Interesting that I'd say our bowlers along with England's are the best in the world for their fielding, Johnson is a terrific athlete and Starc moves well and has a rocket arm. Siddle is solid enough, Lyon is quick across the turf and willing to throw himself around, even the guys around the squad are very good, Patto has a great arm and Bird doesn't look to be a gumby across the turf.

The batsman are a different story, Warner is excellent and Clarke has great hands but the rest range from average to poor, Cowan takes some blinders but drops some sitters, Hughes is a poor ground fielder, awful arm, catching is okay, fields at third slip for NSW. Watson has lost first slip to Clarke but should come in to second, he's not flash but there are few others and he doesn't move well enough to be in gully. Khawaja is the terrible combination of poor athlete and poor catcher, not a slipper and has to be hidden at mid on, I wouldn't be making the mistake of putting him back under the lid, doesn't catch any in there.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Third Test- Aus V Sri Lanka, The SCG

What does everyone think of our field standards at the moment? Losing Ponting has had an impact and losing Hussey won't help either.
The knock on Khawaja is that he is an average fieldsman.

Warner is excellent but how many of our boys are solids fieldsman?

Fieldings improved markedly from two seasons back.
Cowan, Warner and Hughes are good in the field.
Seems more enthusiasm in the field as well.

[Rocco Jones]

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The keeping vs batting debate is interesting. I wonder how many runs difference there is between an average keeper and gun.

Need to be careful not to exagerate the difference as the errors really stick out and also even quality keepers aren't auto wickies (to borrow backyard cricket parlance). 1 missed chance over 2 innings that another keeper would surely take = touch on the high side for mine. How much is the average wicket worth? 30 runs?

Roughly speaking I would say the difference between a quality keeper vs an average keeper is about 10 runs per innings (I know 30 divided by 2 = 15 but as I said, touch on the high side and guns make errors too). I am pulling figures out of the air!

If Wade were to continue being an ordinary keeper and average over 40, what would a quality glovesman need to do with the bat to get into the side?