DRS - What's the solution?

[bulldogtragic]

For those who didn't see it, Warner and Henriques both went LBW with massive inside edges. As Clarke used the single challenge both howlers stood.

So how do we stop this?
Do we say bad luck you only get one challenge?
Should there be multiple challenges?
Should the DRS be put in the third umpires hand for all decisions?
Other?

Seems as though the DRS isn't doing what it should. Something has got to give.

[The Coon Dog]

Re: DRS - What's the solution?

I've always thought have x number of challenges available to be a flaw. The whole intent as I see it is to get the correct decision, but if you've used your challenges, you're still subject to the odd howler with no recourse.

Either have it & use it, or don't have it at all. At the moment its a bit like being half pregnant.

In my view, the umpires should now say, well that looks close, we'll send it upstairs. Take it right out of the players hands.

Also, the ICB needs to bring India into line on the issue & not be dictated to.

[DOG GOD]

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Players will always use it for their own benefit. Michael hussey was a prime example. As long as its the players deciding, it will always have issues. If anything, the players should be told not to use it unless 100% certain it will go in your favour, but we know with egos out there, that will never happen...

So, give it back to the umpires is my belief.

[GVGjr]

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For those who didn't see it, Warner and Henriques both went LBW with massive inside edges. As Clarke used the single challenge both howlers stood.

Clarke should not have challenged unless he thought it clipped his bat.

Once again a decent rule is being exploited by sides and most times to their own detriment.
Clarke has done exceptionally well as a captain but this decision was either selfish or arrogant.

[boydogs]

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The whole intent as I see it is to get the correct decision, but if you've used your challenges, you're still subject to the odd howler with no recourse.

See it in the tennis too. I dunno, I kind of like the fact it is in the players' hands, if they challenge unsuccessfully then get a bad one it's their own stupid fault. You would see a lot more arguing with the umpires if referrals were up to them.

[LostDoggy]

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Maybe leave it as is but have a far more severe punishment for a wrong challenge. That way it will only get used for the "howlers", and not just iffy calls. A batter knows when he hit it and a fielder knows when he caught it. And if they aren't sure, leave it to the umpires.

[Before I Die]

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Clarke should not have challenged unless he thought it clipped his bat.

This

Clarke should he copping all the flak for this. They have one challenge and he uses it on the hope that the ball is missing the stumps. Something he could not have known. If he does the right thing, then Warner appeals because he knows he is not out. He is successful, Australia retains the right to appeal. Henriques appeals because he knows he is not out and presto, we are in an excellent position. Actually under this scenario the Henriques decision doesn't occur because Warner is stil batting, but you get the idea.

There is a limit on appeals to stop players doing what Clarke did. He was immature and selfish, there is nothing wrong with the rule.

[The Coon Dog]

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I reckon its a bit harsh the flak Clarke is copping to be honest. The ball was shown to have just clipped the top of the stumps, one many an umpire would have given not out.

Most batsmen in that situation would look to challenge (perhaps after consultation with their partner) & had there not been 2 howlers later on we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Surely the umpires, not Clarke are culpable in this situation.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have & we may be fortunate to have that if the DRS is changed as I said earlier to leave it all up to the umpire.

[GVGjr]

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I reckon its a bit harsh the flak Clarke is copping to be honest. The ball was shown to have just clipped the top of the stumps, one many an umpire would have given not out.

To me the DRS is there to challenge the decisions that a batsman believe are clearly wrong not at best 50/50 like Clarkes. He gambled when the odds didn't support him and as such left the balance of the team without that option. It wasn't a good decision by Clarke.

The umpires concerned with these poor decisions will cop their whack.

[FrediKanoute]

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I've always thought have x number of challenges available to be a flaw. The whole intent as I see it is to get the correct decision, but if you've used your challenges, you're still subject to the odd howler with no recourse.

Either have it & use it, or don't have it at all. At the moment its a bit like being half pregnant.

In my view, the umpires should now say, well that looks close, we'll send it upstairs. Take it right out of the players hands.

Also, the ICB needs to bring India into line on the issue & not be dictated to.

Agree with this. I think though you can keep the challenges, but the Umpires should be encouraged to check a decision.

[lemmon]

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I think the only real problem with having DRS in the hands of solely the umpires is that they will become incredible conservative and have every decision checked. The last think I'd want to see is an umpire becoming a symbolic hat stand.

Be interesting to get EJ's take on this

[G-Mo77]

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I'd rather leave it all in the umpires hands. We always whine when they make a bad call but it's human error and that's apart of all sports. I don't like the idea of a third umpire with the assistance of technology as it makes the umpire that should be in charge indecisive. How many goals or points were referred to the third umpire in footy last year just to make sure the decision was correct? Umpiring in cricket is a lot different if you take the umpire on fields decision away you can do without them altogether and no one wants that.

Yesterday was just an example of the captain being selfish and not putting faith in his batsmen down the order. It would have been a non issue had he just walked when he was given out.

[The Pie Man]

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Rarely agree with Ian Chappell, but on this I do - leave it with the 3rd umpire. They can communicate with the umpire within seconds of a decision being given should it look to be a 'howler' and follow through with a review then.

I don't believe it's working while in the players hands.

[bulldogtragic]

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Rarely agree with Ian Chappell, but on this I do - leave it with the 3rd umpire. They can communicate with the umpire within seconds of a decision being given should it look to be a 'howler' and follow through with a review then.

I don't believe it's working while in the players hands.

Yep. If the intention is getting the correct decision all the time then it should be in the third umpires hands. It's not working ATM.

[lemmon]

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Yep. If the intention is getting the correct decision all the time then it should be in the third umpires hands. It's not working ATM.

What happens to standing umpires? Do they stay out there?