Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

[westdog54]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Fair point on Hayden but even Rogers is 30 (2 years younger than Katich). Would he be a suitable player for the future in your eyes? If not then who should they pick?

Siddons sounds like he could have done well in Tests if he ever had the chance

The thing that works in Rogers favour is that he hasn't been playing the full international test schedules that the national squad would do, and as such IMO the body and mind would be in shape for a slightly longer international career. He could easily play 5-7 years of test cricket, whereas Hayden probably has one, maybe 2 more international seasons left in him. As I've stated, I don't believe Katich has made the most of the opportunities that he's already had, and as such shouldn't be as high in test considerations. I would apply the same logic to Stuart Clark who had to wait quite a while for a shot at the National team, whereas someone like Mitch Johnson, who has started his test/ODI career slightly earlier, may not play to the same age as Stuart Clark might.

Glad we're on the same page on Siddons. He's generally regarded as one of the best Australian players never to play test cricket.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Glad we're on the same page on Siddons. He's generally regarded as one of the best Australian players never to play test cricket.

And boy could he play. I think he went on a tour to Pakistan but still never landed a test.

[westdog54]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

And boy could he play. I think he went on a tour to Pakistan but still never landed a test.

Its a massive compliment to his contemporaries that he couldn't displace them from the team. He was a wonderful cricketer.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Its a massive compliment to his contemporaries that he couldn't displace them from the team. He was a wonderful cricketer.

Not really. If he was from NSW he would just about have to commit murder to be out of the national team.
Mark Waugh was a good player but got more chances to prove himself than Katich.

[westdog54]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Not really. If he was from NSW he would just about have to commit murder to be out of the national team.
Mark Waugh was a good player but got more chances to prove himself than Katich.

True, being from NSW was/still is a massive advantage.

[hujsh]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

True, being from NSW was/still is a massive advantage.

Yeah, but the likes of McGrath, Lee, Bracken, Clarke, Clark, Haddin and Jaques wouldn't exactly be out of place in any other national team. But how the Clark(e)'s got into the team is a bit dodgy.

It seems like NSW WA and QLD make up nearly all of every squad except for Ponting and when Tait, White or Hodge is selected.

I think the dominance of these states in the national side is more than just favoritism. Tassie has often been bad but they have a few very good young players coming through while SA needs to get Cosgrove fit, wait on the Cullens and hope for Tait.

Victoria however doesn't seem to have many hopeful players. Hussey has come on late Hodge is unlucky (i do understand why they dropped him, however strange their replacement was) and if White could have kept on improving his bowling he would be in.

Most of the bowlers seem to be just over the age where they could make a test debut but at least we poached Wade who will compete with Ronchi for the gloves in the national side in due time

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Who was the last NSW player to have been a top state player but miss out on test cricket like Siddons?

No, I can't think of one, either.

NSW players will always be given every chance. Then it's up to them to take it.

Sliding doors. Siddons get's a chance, makes a score and forces the selectors to drop someone else, Siddons goes on to play 50 tests.

[hujsh]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Who was the last NSW player to have been a top state player but miss out on test cricket like Siddons?

No, I can't think of one, either.

NSW players will always be given every chance. Then it's up to them to take it.

Sliding doors. Siddons get's a chance, makes a score and forces the selectors to drop someone else, Siddons goes on to play 50 tests.

I honestly can't name one but i don't know as much about pre 2005 Ashes as i do onwards

[GVGjr]

Re: Hayden in doubt for the 3rd test

Who was the last NSW player to have been a top state player but miss out on test cricket like Siddons?

No, I can't think of one, either.

NSW players will always be given every chance. Then it's up to them to take it.

Sliding doors. Siddons get's a chance, makes a score and forces the selectors to drop someone else, Siddons goes on to play 50 tests.

Thats very true but also guys like Elliott didn't grasp their chance or chances when they were given a shot. Stuart Law scored a mountain of runs for Queensland and only ever got one chance mind you I think the selectors got that right but it's hard to say if the likes of Law and Siddons would have still missed out if they had played for NSW.