Gold Coast Suns

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: Gold Coast Suns

Unless the club gave them the drugs, charge the players not the club ala Ben Cousins

It's an interesting point, that you make, though, because the rampant drug taking of WC nearly cost a player his life, has been described as out of control by Dean Cox, and who knows where Cousins' and Danile Kerr's stories will end - yet it's hard to believe the club was oblivious, and I've always wondered if it was conveniently ignored or tacitly condoned because the club was on the brink of a flag. Maybe the club should have borne more responsibility for the fact that not just one or two wild cards but a large proportion of the group were tainted by the culture ( you could add in Mainwaring and Michael Gardiner to those publicly known to have a 'problem')

[GVGjr]

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Unless the club gave them the drugs, charge the players not the club ala Ben Cousins

The clubs of professional sporting environments have a major role to play. They can't just use the excuse that it's just the players fault if they know it's happening under their roof. The club needs to investigate the playing group and sanction players and the AFL needs to hold them to account. Potentially placing sanctions on the club will peak their interest. Travis was grinning like a fool when dismissing the suggestion there was a drugs issue at the club. Perhaps he see's the problem as you do and doesn't want to waste the clubs resources.

[westdog54]

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Unless the club gave them the drugs, charge the players not the club ala Ben Cousins

The issue at hand isn't whether the club supplied the drugs, its whether they knew about what was going on but have taken no action.

[jeemak]

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It's an interesting point, that you make, though, because the rampant drug taking of WC nearly cost a player his life, has been described as out of control by Dean Cox, and who knows where Cousins' and Danile Kerr's stories will end - yet it's hard to believe the club was oblivious, and I've always wondered if it was conveniently ignored or tacitly condoned because the club was on the brink of a flag. Maybe the club should have borne more responsibility for the fact that not just one or two wild cards but a large proportion of the group were tainted by the culture ( you could add in Mainwaring and Michael Gardiner to those publicly known to have a 'problem')

This is the beauty in club hypocrisy. They care about cultural issues unless things are going well, and are all too happy to turn their backs on bad behaviour if a group of young men are close to delivering success. Think Collingwood, the Saints and the Eagles as perfect examples of this.

Club administrators could not give a single shit about the well being of players when it comes to this issue, it's all about protecting their brand and ensuring they don't incur the wrath of the AFL if something goes wrong........unless success might be just around the corner. Then it's "nothing to see here".

[westdog54]

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It's an interesting point, that you make, though, because the rampant drug taking of WC nearly cost a player his life, has been described as out of control by Dean Cox, and who knows where Cousins' and Danile Kerr's stories will end - yet it's hard to believe the club was oblivious, and I've always wondered if it was conveniently ignored or tacitly condoned because the club was on the brink of a flag. Maybe the club should have borne more responsibility for the fact that not just one or two wild cards but a large proportion of the group were tainted by the culture ( you could add in Mainwaring and Michael Gardiner to those publicly known to have a 'problem')

With due respect to the man himself, I don't think Chris Mainwaring's family would see it as a "Nearly".

[bulldogtragic]

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With due respect to the man himself, I don't think Chris Mainwaring's family would see it as a "Nearly".

The sad thing is that everyone (media, we, afl etc) seem to airbrush his death from narratives and story lines of their culture. I don't like this.

[The bulldog tragician]

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With due respect to the man himself, I don't think Chris Mainwaring's family would see it as a "Nearly".

I was referring to Chad Fletcher, who OD'ed in Las Vegas but survived.

[jeemak]

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I was referring to Chad Fletcher, who OD'ed in Las Vegas but survived.

I think westdog54 was making a point.

[westdog54]

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I was referring to Chad Fletcher, who OD'ed in Las Vegas but survived.

I know. But Manna is, rightly or wrongly (and fwiw I believe very wrongly), forgotten in the narrative, as BT eloquently put it.

[LostDoggy]

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This is the beauty in club hypocrisy. They care about cultural issues unless things are going well, and are all too happy to turn their backs on bad behaviour if a group of young men are close to delivering success. Think Collingwood, the Saints and the Eagles as perfect examples of this.

Club administrators could not give a single shit about the well being of players when it comes to this issue, it's all about protecting their brand and ensuring they don't incur the wrath of the AFL if something goes wrong........unless success might be just around the corner. Then it's "nothing to see here".

Every now and then you see a club buck this trend, Carlton finally handling Fevola being an example, but only when their hands are tied. I agree with GVGjr's post, as draft sanctions are the only way to force a club to care. Sadly, I don't see this happening at all. The AFL are far more likely to hand GC more picks, not less. The Dogs are guilty of sweeping under carpets too. Anybody remember Gavin Hughes?

I know. But Manna is, rightly or wrongly (and fwiw I believe very wrongly), forgotten in the narrative, as BT eloquently put it.

Not forgotten mate, purposefully excluded. You can't manage the message and massage your brand identity by including him.

[ledge]

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Lets use the Tom Liberatore incident, what should these players get ? The club was held responsible because it involved being out at a club function.
It was dealt by the club and the AFL accepted it, isnt that how it worked?
I'm not sure how rules apply outside the clubs time , was this out of club time and on a holiday ?

[Bornadog]

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CCC has insufficient evidence for athlete drug charges

The Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission has poured cold water on speculation more athletes will be charged in relation to illicit drug use.
Despite intense speculation that more players would be in line for criminal charges after claims made by Queensland Reds player Karmichael Hunt allegedly implicating former Gold Coast Suns teammates, the CCC says there is not enough evidence to warrant further athlete charges.

[Throughandthrough]

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Will the names be named in the Hun tomorrow?

[comrade]

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Well the Courier Mail is going with a front page pic of Harley Bennell cutting up lines of coke....

[bulldogtragic]

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Well the Courier Mail is going with a front page pic of Harley Bennell cutting up lines of coke....

Photos are online on the Hun website. Who lets photos be taken of this? He deserves a ban for stupidity alone.