Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

[bulldogtragic]

Voss, Hird & Buckley ushered in this so called 'untried coaches' era where the media were talking about how the need to have a good apprenticeship as an assistant coach was no longer needed to be a senior AFL coach.

Voss ended bad.
Hird will end worse.
Buckley has taken a very good team, lost some oldies but got a heap of talent and club support. Gone backwards again this year, honourable or not. Will be probably hurt their club the most.

Is it too early to say this theory is shot to hell and back?

[Remi Moses]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

In fairness to Buckley he's unloaded a fair few from their flag team.
I think Collingwood will be decent next seasons onwards, but I'd imagine no eight next season and bucks is in trouble .
Voss was like some mad scientist in the 08 trade period,which ultimately cost him his career.
Hird should have been out of a job when the debacle first came to light!

[LostDoggy]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

I'm not writing Buckley off yet either, I'm usually quite impressed when I hear him talk.

Either way though, it'll be a long time before anyone is given a head coach job again before serving a healthy apprenticeship.

[Bornadog]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

At least Buckley had an apprenticeship under Malthouse.

[Sedat]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

At least Buckley had an apprenticeship under Malthouse.

So did Watters and Neeld. Not sure that's the world's best coaching school

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

At least Buckley had an apprenticeship under Malthouse.

Wasn't a real one. He was assistant knowing he was getting promoted no matter what, and Malthouse was hardly warm towards him.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

So did Watters and Neeld. Not sure that's the world's best coaching school

Cough. Brad Scott. Cough...



I wasn't really coughing, I was saying Brad Scott because he's a Malthouse assistant coach and he's shite too.

[boydogs]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

I don't think it's even the untried bit. It's the club great bit. If James Hird was Nathan Buckley, Essendon would have sacked him 3 years ago but because he is so revered it's more difficult

[The Underdog]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

I'm not writing Buckley off yet either, I'm usually quite impressed when I hear him talk.

Either way though, it'll be a long time before anyone is given a head coach job again before serving a healthy apprenticeship.

Yeah it's funny, I thoroughly enjoy listening to Buckley discuss football. He comes across as a nice guy with perspective (the opposite of Hird) and communicates well. Not sure if he's a good coach or not, but if he ends up in the media it'll be the media's gain.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

I too believe that Buckley is going ok.

He has actually undertaken a rebuild without them becoming uncompetitive and they will be thereabouts. The issue they have at Collingwood is that they believe every player would prefer to play for them.
This can also lead to players drafted to Collingwood getting ahead of themselves.

They have picked up a few from other clubs, but they have also put faith in some that they have simply overpaid for (Jesse White).

Some of their youngsters are showing promise.

[ledge]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

There recruiting isn't very good they swapped Daws for Lynch , recruited White .. I'm not sure if that was coaches decisions or clubs but that has certainly let them down a bit.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

They've drafted well, with Freeman and Scharenberg held back by injury but others performing well. If they can pick up Treloar this summer as predicted, they will have a decent midfield group.

It pains me to say it but I think they will be (along with GWS, Melbourne and probably GC if they keep their players) our main competition in a few years time.

[Bornadog]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

They've drafted well, with Freeman and Scharenberg held back by injury but others performing well. If they can pick up Treloar this summer as predicted, they will have a decent midfield group.

It pains me to say it but I think they will be (along with GWS, Melbourne and probably GC if they keep their players) our main competition in a few years time.

Scharenbeg's contract runs out this year, I wonder what the Pies will do. You would think they would keep him as he was a gun in the under 18.

[azabob]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

Scharenbeg's contract runs out this year, I wonder what the Pies will do. You would think they would keep him as he was a gun in the under 18.

They do, from the limited i have read it is Scharenberg who is delaying the contract signing.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Has the experiment of untried club greats turned coaches officially failed now?

While Collingwood have traded a couple of duds, they have also traded shrewdly for some really talented kids, particularly Taylor Adams and Jack Crisp. Levi Greenwood is another who still has his best footy ahead of him.

In terms of under 23 talent, I reckon the Pies are amongst the 5 or 6 healthiest lists (not as good as ours though).

Aside from the teams mentioned above, the other team I think is starting to assemble a dangerous young squad is St Kilda.