AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

[Greystache]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

They take far too long to throw it up - they posture around, tell everyone to move away from behind them and then eventually throw it up. Just get it and throw it up right away to stop the crowd gathering.

Boundary throw ins too. The boundary umpires spend and eternity posturing to throw it in. Get the ball, throw it in, and get the game moving. They practically stand around waiting for everyone to get to the stoppage before throwing the ball in.

[F'scary]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

They take far too long to throw it up - they posture around, tell everyone to move away from behind them and then eventually throw it up. Just get it and throw it up right away to stop the crowd gathering.

There was one of our games at Etihad this year where after a week of heavy media criticism about the number of stoppages and the ugly rolling scrums, the umps seemed to change tack and throw the ball up very quickly - it made a big difference, I recall but I don't think this was maintained through the rest of the season, they fell back into the old habits of waiting for 40 players to gather round and then swishing their tail feather to show their exit path from the scrimmage.

[bulldogtragic]

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Dear Subs Rule, don't let the doors on the MCG hit your ass on the way out. I trust and hope this is the last ever time I see you.

[Bornadog]

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Beveridge: New rules will impact team makeup


The interchange cap and removal of the substitute will change the way Luke Beveridge approaches team selection in 2016.

Speaking with Francis Leach and David Schwartz on SEN 1116’s radio in Melbourne, Beveridge said that one area the new rules will have an impact is how the Bulldogs’ comprise their forward line in the absence of Stewart Crameri in 2016.

“We obviously get Tom (Liberatore) back, we get Koby Stevens back, we lost Lin Jong for periods of the year and Tom Boyd didn’t player either, so the game is going to change with the 22 and the availability of four on the bench,” Beveridge said.

“The tactical side of the game and how you use those players will change week to week, so you can afford to go taller if you want to, you can do different things.

“I know the rotations will be down a little bit and the game will change.”

The substitute rule was introduced in 2011 in an effort to limit the number of interchange rotations per game, and Beveridge said that the changes announced last year will have a big impact on the way he coaches the game in 2016.

“In black and white terms, you haven’t been able to use the sub until you really needed it,” he said.

“You risked your whole group if you brought a sub on early, if you had another injury you were down to two on the bench.

"Whereas now, you can use it whenever you want but you don’t have to.

“You can sit the young fella there for a little while if things aren’t turning out the way you’d like, you may be able to shuffle things around and just shelve part of your role players for a period of time.

“So there’s all sorts of things that will happen.

"It’ll be interesting to see how all of the coaches manage it.

“It’s difficult to forecast the way you will [approach things], but I’ve been thinking about it and there’s no doubt it’ll have an influence.”

With the first game of the NAB Challenge just over a week away, and round one of the season proper creeping ever closer, the second year coach said that he was happy with how his side is shaping up ahead of the new season.

“Yeah, we’ve had a good preseason, slightly different from last year.

“We’ve had a few more boys who’ve had some repairs during that November period, but they’re all back in the main program now and we’re fit and healthy.

“We had a good hit-out at our Family Day on Saturday in front of the Bulldogs faithful and our build’s looking ok.”

[GVGjr]

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I'd be interested in peoples thoughts on the benefits and risks of the removal of the sub?

[Ozza]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

The risk is that teams getting injuries early in games have a greater disadvantage with out the sub.

Outweighing the risk, is the benefit of having more flexibility in your line up, and also not having to manage players who have had several weeks of being the sub.

One interesting aspect will be the 'carry over' players.
Often last season, a player would only play in the VFL for a half and then head to the AFL game to be the 23rd player, should there be an issue with another player in the warm ups, or someone not quite come up in time. I'm not sure if not having the sub will mean that the carry over players won't play VFL at all, or whether we won't have the carry over player at all.

[LostDoggy]

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Effectively no sub means teams have 4 on the bench rather than 3. I think that will increase the possibility of running a tall off the bench (either 2nd ruck or kpp fill in) - particularly given the lower rotation numbers.

With 3 on the bench and one of them a tall, it made midfield rotations too hard (effectively 2 runners on the bench). Having a tall utility opens a range of tactical options - will be interesting to see how different teams play it.

[GVGjr]

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The risk is that teams getting injuries early in games have a greater disadvantage with out the sub.

Outweighing the risk, is the benefit of having more flexibility in your line up, and also not having to manage players who have had several weeks of being the sub.

It's a massive risk to teams albeit I'm hoping the reduced number of possible interchanges might help if an injury occurs early in the game.

Does it really provide more flexibility?
I'd also argue that it now potentially makes it harder to introduce younger players into the senior line-up. You won't be able to ease them into the tempo of the game like we often did last season.
I wonder if we will average more changes to teams each week as the option of having someone on the bench if they weren't 100% is not longer there?

Older players might need more games off

[Ghost Dog]

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Does this new ruling advantage or disadvantage rucks?

[jazzadogs]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

It's a massive risk to teams albeit I'm hoping the reduced number of possible interchanges might help if an injury occurs early in the game.

Does it really provide more flexibility?
I'd also argue that it now potentially makes it harder to introduce younger players into the senior line-up. You won't be able to ease them into the tempo of the game like we often did last season.
I wonder if we will average more changes to teams each week as the option of having someone on the bench if they weren't 100% is not longer there?

Older players might need more games off

It's interesting because the way Bevo talks about it in that article, I interpreted it as he is contemplating still having a 'sub' of sorts who comes on in bursts, or is held back until later. With the reduced number of rotations, players will need to stay on the field longer but also spend longer stints on the bench...they won't be able to continue 1 minute stints on the bench or they'll run out of rotations.

What is the penalty for going over the cap?

[GVGjr]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

It's interesting because the way Bevo talks about it in that article, I interpreted it as he is contemplating still having a 'sub' of sorts who comes on in bursts, or is held back until later. With the reduced number of rotations, players will need to stay on the field longer but also spend longer stints on the bench...they won't be able to continue 1 minute stints on the bench or they'll run out of rotations.

What is the penalty for going over the cap?

I'm not sure but it would have to be the same as an IC infringement with a free kick to the opposition.

[F'scary]

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Players will have more energy because they will spend less time running on and off the ground.

[jeemak]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

The idea behind the interchange cap and the removal of the sub is geared towards encouraging higher scoring. I'm not sure this will be the outcome.

Coaches - Bevo and Clarkson plus a few others aside - are inherently defensive and will be more inclined to sit fatigued players behind the ball rather than let the game be a free flowing and high scoring one. I fear that with a cap on interchange we will get all of the defensive components of our current state of play, but lose much of the slinging forward on the counter attack only non-fatigued players can deliver regularly.

I could be wrong, but as a guide I usually back the AFL to receive the precise opposite result than the one intended when they tinker with the rules.

[Twodogs]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

The idea behind the interchange cap and the removal of the sub is geared towards encouraging higher scoring. I'm not sure this will be the outcome.

Coaches - Bevo and Clarkson plus a few others aside - are inherently defensive and will be more inclined to sit fatigued players behind the ball rather than let the game be a free flowing and high scoring one. I fear that with a cap on interchange we will get all of the defensive components of our current state of play, but lose much of the slinging forward on the counter attack only non-fatigued players can deliver regularly.

I could be wrong, but as a guide I usually back the AFL to receive the precise opposite result than the one intended when they tinker with the rules.

That's a good rule of thumb to use.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Re: AFL to officially scrap sub rule and slash number of rotations in bid to reduce on-field congestion

The idea behind the interchange cap and the removal of the sub is geared towards encouraging higher scoring. I'm not sure this will be the outcome.

Coaches - Bevo and Clarkson plus a few others aside - are inherently defensive and will be more inclined to sit fatigued players behind the ball rather than let the game be a free flowing and high scoring one. I fear that with a cap on interchange we will get all of the defensive components of our current state of play, but lose much of the slinging forward on the counter attack only non-fatigued players can deliver regularly.

I could be wrong, but as a guide I usually back the AFL to receive the precise opposite result than the one intended when they tinker with the rules.

It's almost got to the point where every premiership needs an asterix next to it denoting what variation of rules it was won under.
This years will be *90 rotations, no sub, extra jumpy sling rule.