Dustin Martin

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Dustin Martin

Bert Newton was undergoing treatment for a severe mental breakdown in the 60's when he was legally injected with a potent dose of LSD. Resulted him having a very "bad trip" and made him worse.

Don't want to derail the thread so not going to get into anymore discussion here on it, apologies for going off track i only brought the subject up in response to a question as i thought it was relevant.
I was just now considering starting a thread somewhere more appropriate on the subject of drugs in society and how we should deal with them as i believe it's a subject that is very important but wasn't sure where to put it, thought maybe in the hyde street band enclosure but wasn't sure if that would appropriate in there either.

[Twodogs]

Re: Dustin Martin

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?15250-Dusty&p=474684#post474684

Interesting discussion and I'm happy to have it.

Then we don't derail the thread.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Dustin Martin

Where is the evidence that a campaign for violence against women works anyway? For young people I see a point. But for adults I'm not sure how many billboards and commercials you would need to make a rapid difference, Might be better off with trying to lift the general education and literacy of men, then try to get speakers like Phil Cleary to visit in small groups.

[SonofScray]

Re: Dustin Martin

Eviscerate his behaviour and what it reflects in his beliefs and values publicly. He may very well be free to go through life making money playing the game we love and treating others with contempt, but the media in their descriptions of him should preface any commentary on his amazing skill set with "Dustin Martin, a violent individual who thinks it is acceptable to terrorise women, picks up the ball, wheels onto his left boot and kicks a goal."

Instead he'll get a narrative of triumph and heroism against adversity on return from any suspension where he plays well.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Dustin Martin

Eviscerate his behaviour and what it reflects in his beliefs and values publicly. He may very well be free to go through life making money playing the game we love and treating others with contempt, but the media in their descriptions of him should preface any commentary on his amazing skill set with "Dustin Martin, a violent individual who thinks it is acceptable to terrorise women, picks up the ball, wheels onto his left boot and kicks a goal."

Instead he'll get a narrative of triumph and heroism against adversity on return from any suspension where he plays well.

I really fear the last point you make. I can hear it already, 'Dustys come from a long way back after his suspension, with fitness and game time but his attitude when coming back is first rate and speaks to his professionalism and character to come back and be better for it'....

[LostDoggy]

Re: Dustin Martin

If the media is true to form, some will equate his ability to return to the footy field and still get a kick to his 'rehabilitation' off the field, as if the two are relevant to each other at all.

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: Dustin Martin

I always feel completely perplexed at the idea that 'education' alone can help men who seem to gain enjoyment from intimidating women. I imagine Dustin sitting in a class with a confused expression on his face as the penny finally drops:
Gee who knew? I now understand that being a hulking footballer standing over a woman threatening to kill her with chopsticks is not a good thing to do. Boy, I wish I'd known this earlier.

Now there is one footballer that crowds would be entitled to boo, but I would be pretty certain it won't happen.

I feel pretty sickened by this incident to be honest. Twelve months seems a long suspension but what a genuine message it would send to those that hero worship guys like him, that the AFL really means it when they talk about their responsibilities in the community.

[Twodogs]

Re: Dustin Martin

I always feel completely perplexed at the idea that 'education' alone can help men who seem to gain enjoyment from intimidating women. I imagine Dustin sitting in a class with a confused expression on his face as the penny finally drops:
Gee who knew? I now understand that being a hulking footballer standing over a woman threatening to kill her with chopsticks is not a good thing to do. Boy, I wish I'd known this earlier.

Now there is one footballer that crowds would be entitled to boo, but I would be pretty certain it won't happen.

I feel pretty sickened by this incident to be honest. Twelve months seems a long suspension but what a genuine message it would send to those that hero worship guys like him, that the AFL really means it when they talk about their responsibilities in the community.

Well said. I'm beginning to firm on 12 months as being an appropriate sanction.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Dustin Martin

Lets imagine he's a player who's on the rookie list.
I bet he'd be INSTANTLY DISMISSED.

[westdog54]

Re: Dustin Martin

Where is the evidence that a campaign for violence against women works anyway? For young people I see a point. But for adults I'm not sure how many billboards and commercials you would need to make a rapid difference, Might be better off with trying to lift the general education and literacy of men, then try to get speakers like Phil Cleary to visit in small groups.

Please don't see this as a crack, but the idea that literacy is a factor here is bunk.

Family violence happens through all sectors of the community. Some are simply better at keeping it in-house than others.

There's no silver bullet here. All of society has a role to play. Police, the Courts, the Community. It will take generations. It may never happen. I pray that it does.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Dustin Martin

Please don't see this as a crack, but the idea that literacy is a factor here is bunk.

Family violence happens through all sectors of the community. Some are simply better at keeping it in-house than others.

There's no silver bullet here. All of society has a role to play. Police, the Courts, the Community. It will take generations. It may never happen. I pray that it does.

Yep. The first lifeless bashed woman I came across (after the husband rang 000 saying he killed his wife) was in an exclusive street, in an exclusive suburb. It's absolutely everywhere and it's completely repugnant, and I can recall every murder victim in great detail. Police and the courts can only do so much as their functions are reactionary by their very nature. It's up to the broader community to stop the hundreds of bashings that will be dished out to women tonight alone. That journey is a million miles long and the AFL by making a big statement has the ability to take a big step further down the journey. The AFL should put its power to good use and help save women from abuse, violence or death. They have an opportunity, I hope they take it.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Dustin Martin

Please don't see this as a crack, but the idea that literacy is a factor here is bunk.

Family violence happens through all sectors of the community. Some are simply better at keeping it in-house than others.

There's no silver bullet here. All of society has a role to play. Police, the Courts, the Community. It will take generations. It may never happen. I pray that it does.

Not at all WD, interesting topic and I'm always learning. Also not to to appear to disrespect anyone's work or former work in the justice system or personal experience. Some attempt to clarify an issue here a few posts back.


Link
Domestic Violence in Australia: ARE WOMEN AND MEN EQUALLY VIOLENT?
Study - University of Melbourne, La Trobe University

"We are reasonably confident about the first and third results; that female and male partners assault each other about equally often and that violence runs in couples."

Yes, male assaults generally cause far worse injuries. That doesn't mean they happen more often.

As for literacy, it's interesting to note that higher unemployment actually correlates to less domestic violence. Granted this is a European study. But it makes sense.

However I disagree that literacy is a non-factor. Any teacher or counsellor will tell you it is far easier to get a message across to people who have a reasonable standard of education. People who have a better education are generally easier to instruct and correct, in regards to behaviours of concern.

[Bornadog]

Re: Dustin Martin

Richmond footballer Dustin Martin to be investigated by police

That is what should have happened in the first place.

[Greystache]

Re: Dustin Martin

Richmond footballer Dustin Martin to be investigated by police

That is what should have happened in the first place.

It's a bit difficult when the victim goes to the media instead of the police.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Dustin Martin

It's a bit difficult when the victim goes to the media instead of the police.

Yep. Also, now 'they' all will hide behind "it's an active police investigation so it's inappropriate to make any comment or take action before the police investigation is finalised". Hence, give nothing to the press and let the storm blow over and do nothing.