The Neanderthals strike again

[Throughandthrough]

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Had the displeasure of accidentally hearing MMM Adelaide's breakfast show this morning. Mark Riccuitto and a bloke named Chris Dittmar


Riccuitto spent the whole time sticking up for his mates, and not once did they admit that they also work for MMM and alongside Frawley/Eddie at FoxFooty


And as for Dittmar, he should probably remain silent on the how to treat women issue.

Everytime he opens his mouth on any topic all he ever does is prove how ignorant he is.

[Twodogs]

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We can't rule out that she also started this, and Eddie was really tired and doing other things and accidentally said things which didn't represent his views. I'm sure the AFEL Integrity Unit will conclude something along these lines.

What happened was Eddie rang Michael Talia's voicemail and dictated his real sincere apology. But because the AFEL are incapable of locating a mobile phone no one will ever hear Eddie's mea culpa and we will be forced to continue thinking he is a mysonaginst dickhead.

Oh well.

Had the displeasure of accidentally hearing MMM Adelaide's breakfast show this morning. Mark Riccuitto and a bloke named Chris Dittmar


Riccuitto spent the whole time sticking up for his mates, and not once did they admit that they also work for MMM and alongside Frawley/Eddie at FoxFooty


And as for Dittmar, he should probably remain silent on the how to treat women issue.

Everytime he opens his mouth on any topic all he ever does is prove how ignorant he is.

Dittmar, Dittmar? Jockey? Squash player maybe.

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St Kilda have put out a statement about Danny Frawley with a public apology and will sit him down in the week with an apparent view to other action (Frawley is a part time coach at St Kilda).

Haven't seen anything about Brayshaw. Maybe Brad Scott takes his lead from Brayshaw.

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A no dickheads policy served the Swans well a little while back.

The AFL might like to begin adopting this approach with regard to club presidents.

I was talking to a mate at work today about this and he mentioned if PG had been in that group he would have instantly known to give it a wide berth rather than to follow Eddie's lead like the others.

I don't doubt that Eddie didn't really mean anything by it but as a leader of a club and a high profile and experienced media person he needs to be a lot better with his choice of words.

Caroline Wilson has been in the media for years and doesn't deserve to be talked about like this. This was a childish payback because she's been at times critical of both Eddie and James and they can't really accept that her views are valid.

The boys need to grow up quickly.

[Ghost Dog]

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Liked this comment in Theage.

"I must say that the comments made were in very bad taste, however to say they were sexist is drawing an extremely long bow. What is this nonsense about "violence against women" rubbish? We have a violence issue FULL STOP. Male violence against males and male violence against women are equally as bad as each other. There are plenty of one punch thugs that hit other guys in the city. To try and separate the "coward punch" and "violence against women" issues is wrong and counterproductive. It should be a united front against all forms of violence. There are two camps which would do better as a unified movement.
If the comments were made about a male, we would be telling ourselves that he should "man up" and he is a grown up, its just words. When its a female, why must it degrade to sexism? We will never find any kind of equality as the undertone of these sentiments are basically telling us "women are defenseless and should be given special treatment and consideration" which speaks against the feminist equality movement at its core."

[The Underdog]

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Liked this comment in Theage.

"I must say that the comments made were in very bad taste, however to say they were sexist is drawing an extremely long bow. What is this nonsense about "violence against women" rubbish? We have a violence issue FULL STOP. Male violence against males and male violence against women are equally as bad as each other. There are plenty of one punch thugs that hit other guys in the city. To try and separate the "coward punch" and "violence against women" issues is wrong and counterproductive. It should be a united front against all forms of violence. There are two camps which would do better as a unified movement.
If the comments were made about a male, we would be telling ourselves that he should "man up" and he is a grown up, its just words. When its a female, why must it degrade to sexism? We will never find any kind of equality as the undertone of these sentiments are basically telling us "women are defenseless and should be given special treatment and consideration" which speaks against the feminist equality movement at its core."

The reason it is different is that women have a history of being marginalised and violently oppressed even in supposed first world societies such as ours, and that is magnified in an industry like football is historically male dominated. Comments like this help to perpetuate the idea that women don't belong here. And yes, Male on male violence is a problem but to suggest that there's no difference in the reasons behind most violence against women and the violence against other men is disingenuous at best.

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The reason it is different is that women have a history of being marginalised and violently oppressed even in supposed first world societies such as ours, and that is magnified in an industry like football is historically male dominated. Comments like this help to perpetuate the idea that women don't belong here. And yes, Male on male violence is a problem but to suggest that there's no difference in the reasons behind most violence against women and the violence against other men is disingenuous at best.

Do we really want to do something about violence across all sectors of the community?
Violence builds up like a battery in male circles and explodes in the face of women and kids. To be successful, the message has to drain this battery of life.

The root cause is the same. Stopping violence against women is a worthy campaign, but even better would be a message against male violence full stop on any level.

The AFL will appoint commissioners, and peddle a message to please and appease a section of the community but will continue to internally celebrate and foster these blokey 'tough' attitudes unless the message becomes a wholistic one. May of the guys you see wearing white ribbons, riding the band wagon of the cause, will then turn around and celebrate things on a field you probably shouldn't.

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Isn't Danny Green the face of the (no more) Coward Punch campaign? I thought I saw Danny Green & Jake Stringer in a photo together last week about ending drunken and cowardice violence.

[The Underdog]

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Gay men also have a history of being marginalised and violently oppressed. And transexuals. Is an assault on a gay man different to an assault on a woman? The greater part does not mean we should ignore minority cases.

Again, assaults on gay or trans people at their heart prolong a history of exclusion or marginalisation. No one is ignoring male on male one punch assaults, *!*!*!*!, they changed laws to combat it and yes all violence is awful on an equal scale but there are societal differences that historically make some offences different at a basic level. There aren't a lot of people who are targeted as victims for being white straight or male

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Again, assaults on gay or trans people at their heart prolong a history of exclusion or marginalisation. No one is ignoring male on male one punch assaults, *!*!*!*!, they changed laws to combat it and yes all violence is awful on an equal scale but there are societal differences that historically make some offences different at a basic level. There aren't a lot of people who are targeted as victims for being white straight or male

Donald Trump says otherwise. I think a wall could fix this.

[The Underdog]

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Donald Trump says otherwise. I think a wall could fix this.

I'm pretty sure that was to keep out the rapists....

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I'm pretty sure that was to keep out the rapists....

What about the murderers then?

[Ghost Dog]

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Again, assaults on gay or trans people at their heart prolong a history of exclusion or marginalisation. No one is ignoring male on male one punch assaults, *!*!*!*!, they changed laws to combat it and yes all violence is awful on an equal scale but there are societal differences that historically make some offences different at a basic level. There aren't a lot of people who are targeted as victims for being white straight or male

The real problem is violence. In particular violence against children. Eddie McGuire is never going to actually hit his wife, or I doubt it. But the men who will had violent upbringings or grow up in cultures of bullying ( or blokism, as perpetuated by McGuire ) and grow up to have that capacity. To achieve lasting change one has to look at the types of culture that foster domestic violence. If children grew up understanding how damaging violence is in all forms, while being treated decently in safe environments, domestic violence would fall significantly. It's a complex problem. It will not be fixed by targeting the symptom, only the cause.

I really liked the recent campaigns by the TAC that show a child in the back, copying the abusive language of his father in the driver's seat. Hit the nail on the head. That kind of road rage is a form of violence. Kids copy that. They grow up to learn its normal.
What Eddie doesn't understand is there are a bunch of collingwood supporter kids who will probably think he's pretty cool.

[Happy Days]

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The real problem is violence. In particular violence against children. Eddie McGuire is never going to actually hit his wife, or I doubt it. But the men who will had violent upbringings or grow up in cultures of bullying ( or blokism, as perpetuated by McGuire ) and grow up to have that capacity. To achieve lasting change one has to look at the types of culture that foster domestic violence. If children grew up understanding how damaging violence is in all forms, while being treated decently in safe environments, domestic violence would fall significantly. It's a complex problem. It will not be fixed by targeting the symptom, only the cause.

I really liked the recent campaigns by the TAC that show a child in the back, copying the abusive language of his father in the driver's seat. Hit the nail on the head. That kind of road rage is a form of violence. Kids copy that. They grow up to learn its normal.
What Eddie doesn't understand is there are a bunch of collingwood supporter kids who will probably think he's pretty cool.

Hmmm.

I think the problem is more that an issue so obviously disproportionate as sexual or domestic violence can't be discussed without men feeling the need to interject themselves as closer to victimised than of blame.

#notallmen though.

[The Underdog]

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Hmmm.

I think the problem is more that an issue so obviously disproportionate as sexual or domestic violence can't be discussed without men feeling the need to interject themselves as closer to victimised than of blame.

#notallmen though.

Hey I know at least one woman is killed per week by a partner but don't forget about my feelings