AFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[bulldogtragic]

The new AFLPA & AFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) is due to be signed off by November 1 at the latest. Reading some of the material from the AFLPA they've indicated over the course of the 2002 and current agreement players overall share dropped from 26% of total revenue to about 21.2% of total revenue. The aflpa's position is to have a fixed figure of no less than 25% but of course asking more as you do early on.

So that's 3.8% over five years which is reasonable at face value. But owing to the fact that the TV rights deal has gone up, that's closer to a real figure is actually closer to 5-7% depending on the figures agreed to. The current AFL salary cap is $10,600,000. This could see the cap rise by about $530,000 to $742,000 per annum over the next five years.

If the AFLPA can achieve such a result, then that's great for the players. From our club's perspective, the ability to keep the list together is significantly improved. Sure other clubs will have more to enduce players to leave, but if we can develop a potential dynasty then players will still be getting very good salaries to remain and have sustained success (win-win). For the white noise on Boyd's salary, if the higher figure was implemented then that pays his full & complete salary to end of the contract alone. Leaving the full 2016 salary cap of $10,600,000 for the remaining players. It's essentially a rise that gives us Boyd for free in a sense, from here on in. Tell me 16 other AFL clubs who wouldn't do the deal?

Certainly makes throwing some bucks at Hurley easier too. This CBA is coming up at the perfect time with Boyd off his front loading and FA's like Hurley about. So here's hoping the AFLPA strike a big deal.

[boydogs]

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That's asking for too much I think. A big part of the increased TV rights deal is due to the AFL's investment in GC & GWS to give NSW & QLD one home game a week and the AFL 9 games per round, and also the 4:40pm timeslots on Saturday & Sunday so the fans who watch every game they can watch more games each weekend, which detracts from attendances & club earnings. The AFL and the clubs deserve more of an increase than the players do

There is definitely more money to go around though, so I would expect an increase to the cap of 3-5% pa or 318,000-530,000, which will make a difference to contract negotiations that come up each year after the cap increases

The smart clubs who have been front loading and locking players away long term like us will benefit from this

[Topdog]

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A big part of the increased TV rights deal is due to the AFL's investment in GC & GWS to give NSW & QLD one home game a week

Really? Does anyone actually watch either club?

[LostDoggy]

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Really? Does anyone actually watch either club?

Yeah Nah!

[Twodogs]

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Really? Does anyone actually watch either club?

Only when their team is playing against them.

[boydogs]

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Really? Does anyone actually watch either club?

I don't know the viewer numbers but there is a big difference in the sporting culture in Victoria compared to NSW & QLD, whereby Vics will turn out in big numbers to live sports whereas further north they are still interested, but will watch from leagues clubs, pubs or home rather than attend

Every Lions & Suns game is broadcast live on free to air into QLD, same for every Swans & Giants game in NSW, home or away. The AFL don't even try to incentivise fans to physically go to the games, they want them watching on TV

AFL sponsors want exposure in those markets too. They're not as keen on growing their brands in Tassie

[jeemak]

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How any stakeholder that is getting paid by this windfall, which is ultimately paid by the fans in the first place, could expect to get a bigger lick as a priority over another is baffling.

The biggest priority for the game should be to have itself more accessible to more people. To think that any argument is diverted away from that simple concept is confirmation the game has cooked itself and any pretence of supporter enjoyment or supporter support is done.

My view is the players deserve the largest piece of the pie, clubs deserve the next level, and City Hall runs lean with registered savings agreed by other stakeholders taken into account for future benefit to the broad competition.

[bulldogtragic]

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How any stakeholder that is getting paid by this windfall, which is ultimately paid by the fans in the first place, could expect to get a bigger lick as a priority over another is baffling.

The biggest priority for the game should be to have itself more accessible to more people. To think that any argument is diverted away from that simple concept is confirmation the game has cooked itself and any pretence of supporter enjoyment or supporter support is done.

My view is the players deserve the largest piece of the pie, clubs deserve the next level, and City Hall runs lean with registered savings agreed by other stakeholders taken into account for future benefit to the broad competition.

That's seems fair and reasonable. So it's not happening. I'd love to know the total costs of mid and top tier salaries, but they deserve it just because, you know, because.

[Bornadog]

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How any stakeholder that is getting paid by this windfall, which is ultimately paid by the fans in the first place, could expect to get a bigger lick as a priority over another is baffling.

The biggest priority for the game should be to have itself more accessible to more people. To think that any argument is diverted away from that simple concept is confirmation the game has cooked itself and any pretence of supporter enjoyment or supporter support is done.

My view is the players deserve the largest piece of the pie, clubs deserve the next level, and City Hall runs lean with registered savings agreed by other stakeholders taken into account for future benefit to the broad competition.

But who is going to pay for the 600 plus employees at AFL house.

[Throughandthrough]

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The expected large increase in salary caps over the next decade was surely a big factor in the offer he couldn't refuse we gave Boyd.


On a Simao but different tact the swans have already got all the money they spent on buddy back and then some through extra sponsorship and members.

[bulldogtragic]

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Despite Gillon saying it will be signed of in a week or two, many times, it's stalled it seems. Dangerfield in his capacity as being on the AFLPA has said there may be strikes over the preseason games if there's still no resolution by then. The AFLPA are demanding a percentage of revenue sharing while the AFEL are refusing it. Last time there was a stalemate players refused all media interviews, as the line before threatening strike action. Something has got to give.

[ledge]

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About 25% isn't it they are asking but would take 22% im hearing.
It's a gamble for the players if the AFL make less but it's still a very healthy wage.

[bulldogtragic]

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About 25% isn't it they are asking but would take 22% im hearing.
It's a gamble for the players if the AFL make less but it's still a very healthy wage.

They're after 25% but based on moving numbers, they're effectively down to 21.2%. A 3.8% rise over 5 years is not an unreasonable position for the people who are the game.

[Topdog]

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When the CEOs get nearly 4m a year in salary its not unreasonable that the players ask for a bigger slice of the pie.

[Sedat]

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I'm normally not an apologist for the AFEL but this is simply posturing by Paul Marsh and the AFLPA, who are doing nothing more than applying a lazy method to increase the revenue for the players (and no doubt his own bonuses). The fixed percentage will simply give a fixed return to the players at the expense of the clubs - the AFEL won't be losing any of their own revenue.

For starters how is this going to work with multi year player contracts? If overall revenue goes down for a season (quite a possible scenario with Australian economic growth going into negative territory in the Sep qtr for the first time in many years) then every single club will be over the salary cap the following year if the percentage model is in play.

The AFEL are happy to increase the pie for the players to what their expectations are but not through a fixed percentage model. Paul Marsh needs to get off his arse and do some actual work on behalf of the players he supposedly represents.