Gold Coast Suns appear as 2016 Draft Powerhouse

[chef]

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And the players they chose.

[jazzadogs]

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And the players they chose.

Pretty sure I saw an article the other day about Pearce Hanley potentially moving to GC. Just what they need.

[chef]

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Pretty sure I saw an article the other day about Pearce Hanley potentially moving to GC. Just what they need.

Sounds like Brissie are pretty happy for him to go too.

[GVGjr]

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I think you can attribute most of GC problems to original setup, original coach and the bad culture created.

So Scotty gets a big tick?

They are going backwards quickly.

[Ozza]

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A brand new franchise with dozens of draft picks...it has just been an amazing opportunity for Scott Clayton to really expand on his history of drafting light bodied, outside, project players.

I'd swim to the other side of port Phillip bay if he couldn't find a few more this season.

[Sedat]

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I think you can attribute most of GC problems to original setup, original coach and the bad culture created.

Scott Clayton was there from day 1 - he cannot be exempt from criticism with regard to the original set-up. In fact, from a list composition perspective, he is by far the most culpable and a massive factor in their current state. Some of his decisions have been pure idiocy - have a look at the uncontracted AFL players he brought to the club. Fraser, Brennan, Krakouer, Bock, Brown were all unmitigated disasters.

[Mofra]

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Scott Clayton was there from day 1 - he cannot be exempt from criticism with regard to the original set-up. In fact, from a list composition perspective, he is by far the most culpable and a massive factor in their current state. Some of his decisions have been pure idiocy - have a look at the uncontracted AFL players he brought to the club. Fraser, Brennan, Krakouer, Bock, Brown were all unmitigated disasters.

Wasn't it Clayton who wanted to throw a chequebook at Minson and got shouted down?

He gets a tick there although I think he favours light-bodied outside types far too much at the draft table.

[Bornadog]

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Scott Clayton was there from day 1 - he cannot be exempt from criticism with regard to the original set-up. In fact, from a list composition perspective, he is by far the most culpable and a massive factor in their current state. Some of his decisions have been pure idiocy - have a look at the uncontracted AFL players he brought to the club. Fraser, Brennan, Krakouer, Bock, Brown were all unmitigated disasters.

Agree he must also be part of the blame, but there are many other factors like development of players, club culture etc. No doubt Clayton also picked some very good players over the years.

[Twodogs]

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Scott Clayton was there from day 1 - he cannot be exempt from criticism with regard to the original set-up. In fact, from a list composition perspective, he is by far the most culpable and a massive factor in their current state. Some of his decisions have been pure idiocy - have a look at the uncontracted AFL players he brought to the club. Fraser, Brennan, Krakouer, Bock, Brown were all unmitigated disasters.

100% correct.

[soupman]

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I did a post on this a while back. I believe it showed that Clayton had actually drafted pretty well, where Gold Coast failed was:

-The mature age recruits they grabbed had little upside, longevity and failed to define the culture of the club as a strength. The only one who was a proven winner and could lift the side was Ablett and he is the quiet type anyway. Compare this to GWS who recruited players that either had a lot of upside still in their game, had experience in good sides and managed to breed a culture of confidence/arrogance that is a natural fit with their highly talented group.

-They failed to develop their high picks for a variety of reasons. Some attitudinal, like Bennel, others have been hampered by injury, like Swallow, others have a had a combo, like Dixon. They've probably had less out and out misses with high draft picks like GWS have (O'Rourke, Plowman, Marchbank, Jaksch etc.) but they've also failed to develop the really good ones into elite or outstanding players. Lynch is probably the only one that has really come on.

-They have gotten no value for the players they've lost. When GC trade their players, it is very rarely for similar value to what they recruited them for. Bennell has turned from pick 2 into pick 17, Dixon similiar etc. This means their return on investment from these players has been poor, especially considering the outlay on them at the start. O'Meara looms as another addition to this category if he goes to Hawthorn.

-They're a shambles off field. Shit coaches, shit gameplans, shit leaders, shit town to develop players in, far from home for most amplifying the homesick factor, and unlike GWS who drafted heaps of players from the same squads meaning they instantly had mates at the club GC has struggled to create that tight knit group of players.

Clayton is largely responsible for the first point, maybe partly for the third, but aside from that he has drafted fairly well when considering what else was available to him. By all means criticise him, I certainly don't want him back, but he's been unlucky in some regards and let down by the club environment in others.

[GVGjr]

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I did a post on this a while back. I believe it showed that Clayton had actually drafted pretty well, where Gold Coast failed was:

There is no denying that Clayton and his team have drafted good players but they also had a number of early picks which helps them enormously. Too many of them though have fallen well short of being good citizens which I think is his biggest weakness.

They've got rid of one coach and given they have gone backwards again I'm amazed there has been no change with their recruitment set-up. Does it fall all on Rocket if they don't improve next season?

[Bornadog]

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There is no denying that Clayton and his team have drafted good players but they also had a number of early picks which helps them enormously. Too many of them though have fallen well short of being good citizens which I think is his biggest weakness.

They've got rid of one coach and given they have gone backwards again I'm amazed there has been no change with their recruitment set-up. Does it fall all on Rocket if they don't improve next season?

You would have to think so.

[bulldogtragic]

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Updated: Assuming Hrovat requests a trade to North at their pick 32. We could do a points trade with GCS with Honeychurch. The 300 point differential is around pick 50.

GCS - Picks 22, 23, 25 = 2,400 points (if 25 was substituted with 29 then the differential is 200 points or pick 56)
Dogs - Picks 18, 32 & 39 = 2,100 points

Take to Draft or trade: GCS - 3, 6, 8, 14, 18, 29, 30, 37, 42, 43
Take to Draft or trade: Dogs - 22, 23, 25/29

Dalrymples Sweet Spot: (2014) McLean, Webb (2015) Dunkley, Collins. He says he loves back to back picks, that's nearly back, to back, to back, to back. Could always ask Carlton to swap 24 for 25 (1 pick) additionally for Hrovat since they'll be trading it on. Giving Dal 22, 23 & 24.

[bulldogtragic]

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Scouring through the first round and it opens up a potential heist.

- GCS demand pick 6 for Prestia and get it. They have 4, 6 & 8.
- Pick 5 Carlton & Pick 7 GWS. These two clubs are already trading on Marchbank, Stewart, Pickett etc.
- GWS take a slight hit and give two high end players for an upgrade from pick 16 to pick 5 (Carlton do well)

- GCS grab 4, 6 & 8 and GWS 5 & 7

- They have a formal agreement to not bid on each other academy players. They plunder 5 gun early rounders, and when the real clubs get picks and nominate their academy picks they pay using late first rounders for early first round talents.

They could rip the guts out of the first round of this draft and there's not a thing anyone can do but watch it unfold on draft night. I guess they'd like more late first round picks and points into the bank to still have plenty of points banked, I guess we could help for the right offer.

[1eyedog]

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Assuming Koby & Hrovat requests trades to St Kilda or Essendon & Carlton. We could do a straight points trade with GCS:

GCS - Picks 22, 23 & 25 = 2,400 points
Dogs - Picks 18, about 30 (Koby & 59) 37 & 43 (Hrovat to Carl) = 2,500 points

Take to Draft or trade: GCS - 3, 6, 8, 14, 18, 29, 30, 37, 42, 43
Take to Draft or trade: Dogs - 22, 23, 25

Dalrymples Sweet Spot: (2014) McLean, Webb (2015) Dunkley, Collins. He says he loves back to back picks, that's nearly back, to back, to back, to back. Could always ask Carlton to swap 24 for 25 (1 pick) additionally for Hrovat since they'll be trading it on. Giving Dal 22, 23 & 24.

Great work Dal.