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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    Decision Review System

    In the 2009 Preliminary Final, Riewoldts match winning goal was actually touched, but with no review system they win.

    Last night Jake's little finger touched a decision called a goal. But with DRS, it's over turned. 5 points saved. At the siren, we were 5 points up.

    There's a lot still to improve, but it made sure a wrong decision didn't cost us a prelim.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
  • Throughandthrough
    Coaching Staff
    • Nov 2007
    • 3204

    #2
    Re: Decision Review System

    And quote from last night "I think it's a goal, but want it checked"

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #3
      Re: Decision Review System

      Excellent point. It seems those touched off the boot type decisions are where the DRS system is highly beneficial (as well as posters). Very hard call for a goal umpire to make, especially when often there may be players between them and the kicker/smotherer.

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      • jeemak
        Bulldog Legend
        • Oct 2010
        • 21991

        #4
        Re: Decision Review System

        There's still confusion surrounding when the umpires facilitate a formal review because of a disagreement or clarification needing to be made, and the public's understanding (or lack of) that each goal that may be close is reviewed.
        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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        • AndrewP6
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2009
          • 8142

          #5
          Re: Decision Review System

          I think it has made goal umps less sure of themselves, and therefore less able to confidently make a call. I watch the footage when a review happens and I sure as hell cant see what they claim to see on review! If they're going to run with it, take decisions out of the umpire's hand, and use them to simply communicate scores -ie by signalling. Seen too many where the goal ump has made a call and the field ump has called for a review.
          [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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          • KT31
            WOOF Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 5454

            #6
            Re: Decision Review System

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            In the 2009 Preliminary Final, Riewoldts match winning goal was actually touched, but with no review system they win.

            Last night Jake's little finger touched a decision called a goal. But with DRS, it's over turned. 5 points saved. At the siren, we were 5 points up.

            There's a lot still to improve, but it made sure a wrong decision didn't cost us a prelim.
            Lets not forget Libba's goal in 97, review would have reversed the decision and it would have been called a goal.
            It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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            • Sedat
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2007
              • 11437

              #7
              Re: Decision Review System

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              In the 2009 Preliminary Final, Riewoldts match winning goal was actually touched, but with no review system they win.

              Last night Jake's little finger touched a decision called a goal. But with DRS, it's over turned. 5 points saved. At the siren, we were 5 points up.

              There's a lot still to improve, but it made sure a wrong decision didn't cost us a prelim.
              Was an 11 point turnaround just when we were wobbling - straight down the other end for Daniel to tighten the score.
              "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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              • Sedat
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2007
                • 11437

                #8
                Re: Decision Review System

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                In the 2009 Preliminary Final, Riewoldts match winning goal was actually touched, but with no review system they win.

                Last night Jake's little finger touched a decision called a goal. But with DRS, it's over turned. 5 points saved. At the siren, we were 5 points up.

                There's a lot still to improve, but it made sure a wrong decision didn't cost us a prelim.
                Was an 11 point turnaround just when we were wobbling - straight down the other end for Daniel to tighten the score.
                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #9
                  Re: Decision Review System

                  So I pumped it up last week, but it may be my biased eyes, but for the life of me I'm not sure they over ruled the goal umpire on JJ's kick.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 67292

                    #10
                    Re: Decision Review System

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    So I pumped it up last week, but it may be my biased eyes, but for the life of me I'm not sure they over ruled the goal umpire on JJ's kick.
                    That was a goal - 100% certain.
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                    • Missing Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8501

                      #11
                      Re: Decision Review System

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      That was a goal - 100% certain.

                      I don't think from the footage shown that anyone can be 100% certain whether it was a goal or not, but that uncertainty is enough for it to go back to the original goal umpires decision.

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34289

                        #12
                        Re: Decision Review System

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        That was a goal - 100% certain.
                        I'm glad it wasn't relevant in the end, but they reviewer should be sacked. Using a 2D image with a heap of doubt, and the goal umpire was perfectly positioned. Rubbish.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                        • G-Mo77
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9894

                          #13
                          Re: Decision Review System

                          Originally posted by aker39
                          I don't think from the footage shown that anyone can be 100% certain whether it was a goal or not, but that uncertainty is enough for it to go back to the original goal umpires decision.
                          Exactly!

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                          • Cyberdoggie
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 2861

                            #14
                            Re: Decision Review System

                            The reviewer was basically overruling a decision based on a possible margin of a few cm.
                            Add to that there is really no point of reference to align the camera and the goal line. You can't directly imagine a straight line
                            from the middle of the camera shot to the line on the ground because that is not accurate (camera positioning on the post, camera lens type, depth perception, distance etc). There is no hawkeye animation review like in the tennis or cricket where it shows the margin (or computed margin), so it is a naked eye guess based on an inaccurate image. With the small margin in question you simply can't overrule the decision.
                            If the umpire had said I think it was touched can you prove otherwise then that is different.

                            Anyway we won but had we not and that margin was a factor then crikey I would be fuming.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 67292

                              #15
                              Re: Decision Review System

                              Originally posted by aker39
                              I don't think from the footage shown that anyone can be 100% certain whether it was a goal or not, but that uncertainty is enough for it to go back to the original goal umpires decision.
                              I know it makes no difference but:







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