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  • choconmientay
    WOOF Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 1312

    Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

    I know plenty of peoples would disagree with this. I think Champion Data needs to upgrade their system to the best Super computer available before they can put something like this out

    So what is your take on this?

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    Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

    JAY CLARK, Herald Sun, December 9, 2016 8:00pm


    COLLINGWOOD coach Nathan Buckley will be armed with the game’s top-ranked midfield in his make-or-break 2017 season, according to Champion Data.

    The AFL’s official-number crunchers have delivered a glowing endorsement of the Magpies’ prime movers using a complex formula to asses each midfielder’s output over the past two years, in comparison to their peers.

    Led by superstar ballwinners Scott Pendlebury and Adam Treloar, the Pies have six top-end midfielders who are classified as elite or above average, bolstering claims Collingwood has the centre square setup to break its three-year finals drought next season.

    Buckley has already set the scene for a boom-or-bust 2017 campaign, saying late last season that he is ‘on the hook’ unless the Magpies make September next year.

    Richmond’s midfield brigade also received a big tick, with the moves to pickup Josh Caddy, from Geelong, and Gold Coast hard nut Dion Prestia in the trade period lifting the Tigers’ 2017 midfield rating up to fourth.

    Caddy, who averaged 1.2 goals per game last season, and Shane Edwards are both rated as elite as midfield-forwards.

    After a dismal 2016 at Punt Rd, the favourable ratings suggest Richmond has the midfield arsenal to help outmuscle rivals next season, in what also promises to be a critical year for coach Damien Hardwick, after a clean-out of his assistant coaching staff.

    But the controversial analysis is less kind on Melbourne.

    Despite the big raps on the Demons’ young talent, Champion Data has ranked Melbourne’s midfield-forward outfit last.

    It means the AFL’s top and bottom-ranked midfield units will clash when the Magpies and Demons meet in the traditional Queen’s Birthday blockbuster on June 12.

    Melbourne has beaten Collingwood in its last three meetings.

    According to the rankings which will be released as part of the 2017 Prospectus, Melbourne has six midfielders in the average range, including young star Jack Viney, captain Nathan Jones and ex-Hawthorn recruit Jordan Lewis.

    But none are deemed above average or elite, based on their statistical output in the past two campaigns.

    Viney is Melbourne’s top-ranked midfielder at No.52 in Champion Data’s rankings, below Pendlebury (6) Treloar (13), Steele Sidebottom (28), Daniel Wells (38), Taylor Adams (41) and Jack Crisp (51).

    The analysis factors in the effectiveness, impact and position of players’ possessions in the 2015-16 seasons.

    It includes midfielders and midfield forwards, ranked separately.

    Premiership favourite Greater Western Sydney is second in the midfield charts, with five players ranked above average for their position.

    Elite status is saved for the top 10 per cent of each positional type.

    Giants’ stars Dylan Shiel and Callan Ward sit right in the cusp of this group.

    Reigning premier Western Bulldogs are third.

    The Dogs have three midfielders ranked elite, the most of any club.

    They are Marcus Bontempelli, Luke Dahlhaus and Mitch Wallis.

    The Dogs’ overall rating is lowered by the ratings given to youngsters Lukas Webb, Bailey Dale and Mitch Honeychurch, who are all factored into the midfield brigade, after playing more than the required 10 games.

    In another surprise, St Kilda’s emerging midfield group is ranked seventh, higher than Geelong (eighth), West Coast (ninth), Adelaide (11th) and Hawthorn (12th).

    St Kilda’s favourable assessment is based on its breadth of established talent, with eight of their nine classified midfielders considered either above average or average, including top-ranked ballwinners Jack Steven, David Armitage and new recruit Koby Stevens.

    Geelong’s rating highlights concerns surrounding its midfield depth.

    Superstar duo Patrick Dangerfield and Joel Selwood are considered elite, but its six other rated midfielders are considered average or below average.

    North Melbourne is ranked second-last. Onballer Ben Cunnington is the only Roo to receive an above average rating and none are elite.

    MIDFIELD MIGHT

    CHAMPION DATA ranks the midfields for the 2017 season.

    1 Collingwood
    2 GWS Giants
    3 Western Bulldogs
    4 Richmond
    5 Sydney
    6 Port Adelaide
    7 St Kilda
    8 Geelong
    9 West Coast
    10 Fremantle
    11 Adelaide
    12 Hawthorn
    13 Essendon
    14 Gold Coast
    15 Brisbane Lions
    16 Carlton
    17 North Melbourne
    18 Melbourne
    It always seems impossible until it's done. Nelson Mandela
  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

    Proof: Lies. Damn lies. Statistics.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Greystache
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Dec 2009
      • 9775

      #3
      Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

      LOL, Collingwood.

      They could have the best midfield, defence, and forward line in the league and they'd still struggle because Buckley as coach would outweigh that.

      Do you think Buckley's bought the 27 disc pack of our 2016 so he can plan how he wants Collingwood to play in 2017, or is he still trying to teach his players what he learned from Hawthorn's 2015 DVD pack?
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      • Bulldog Joe
        Premiership Moderator
        • Jul 2009
        • 5615

        #4
        Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

        Interesting when you look at the players they are rating from their AFL player ratings

        Pendlebury 613.1 v Bontempelli 609.4
        Treloar 513.5 v Wallis 442.3
        Sidebottom 445.3 v Dahlhaus 435.2
        Jack Crisp 412.8 v Picken 419.2
        T Adams 392 v Macrae 387.9
        J De Goey 288.9 v Hunter 372.7
        Greenwood 264.8 v Libba 311
        D Wells 255.2 v Jong 289.7

        That is the top 8 for Collingwood against our top based on the end year rankings.

        From that I really can't see how they come up with Collingwood being superior.

        Additionally they seem to have Caleb Daniel (312 and ahead of Libba) as a small forward only. McLean and Dunkley are also only rated as forwards.

        I think we have them covered.
        Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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        • Bulldog4life
          WOOF Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 9607

          #5
          Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

          Champion Data said we couldn't win the premiership because we did't score enough throughout the year. I take what they say with a grain of salt. Supply the data Champion Data but don't put your own spin on things.

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          • comrade
            Hall of Fame
            • Jun 2008
            • 18093

            #6
            Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

            I'm happy to back in any midfield that includes Bontempelli, just quietly.
            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11887

              #7
              Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

              It's just the stats. We rotate individuals though the midfield more so their numbers tend to be less consistently high. Using the ranking system we technically have less 'elite' midfielders but if we were to prioritise giving Bont, Libba etc as much midfiled time as possible and never played them forward then their numbers would probably go up and we'd have the statistically best midfield (but likely worse output)
              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                Even more pressure on FIGJAM to get his rabble into the Finals next year!!!
                Love It!

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27664

                  #9
                  Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                  Originally posted by Greystache
                  LOL, Collingwood.

                  They could have the best midfield, defence, and forward line in the league and they'd still struggle because Buckley as coach would outweigh that.

                  Do you think Buckley's bought the 27 disc pack of our 2016 so he can plan how he wants Collingwood to play in 2017, or is he still trying to teach his players what he learned from Hawthorn's 2015 DVD pack?
                  My theory is they have discovered that things at Collingwood work a lot better when Bucks is in a room by himself watching videos.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • boydogs
                    WOOF Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5845

                    #10
                    Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                    Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                    Libba 311
                    There's your problem
                    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                    Formerly gogriff

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                    • Bulldog Joe
                      Premiership Moderator
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5615

                      #11
                      Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                      Originally posted by boydogs
                      There's your problem
                      I wouldn't call the low rating of Libba a problem, but it does explain a lot.

                      My understanding is that they rank players on their last 40 games over a period of 2 years.

                      Because Libba missed all of 2015 he is rated solely on the 21 games from 2016. His true rating (and where he would get to with a full season in 2017), will be at least around the Treloar level.
                      Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27664

                        #12
                        Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                        Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                        Interesting when you look at the players they are rating from their AFL player ratings

                        Pendlebury 613.1 v Bontempelli 609.4
                        Treloar 513.5 v Wallis 442.3
                        Sidebottom 445.3 v Dahlhaus 435.2
                        Jack Crisp 412.8 v Picken 419.2
                        T Adams 392 v Macrae 387.9
                        J De Goey 288.9 v Hunter 372.7
                        Greenwood 264.8 v Libba 311
                        D Wells 255.2 v Jong 289.7

                        That is the top 8 for Collingwood against our top based on the end year rankings.

                        From that I really can't see how they come up with Collingwood being superior.

                        Additionally they seem to have Caleb Daniel (312 and ahead of Libba) as a small forward only. McLean and Dunkley are also only rated as forwards.

                        I think we have them covered.
                        I don't know. We seem to struggle against them. They overran us in the NAB cup game but I think we were just going through the motions in tHe second half. I think we beat them twice through the year but weren't very impressive in either win.

                        Originally posted by comrade
                        I'm happy to back in any midfield that includes Bontempelli, just quietly.
                        Towards the end of the year I knew we'd win the flag because the Bont plays for us. His best is so much better than everyone else's
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13310

                          #13
                          Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                          Someone please tell Libba and McCrae they a aren't considered elite at what they do.
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • Bulldog4life
                            WOOF Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 9607

                            #14
                            Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                            Originally posted by 1eyedog
                            Someone please tell Libba and McCrae they a aren't considered elite at what they do.
                            Ridiculous when you really think about it.

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                            • Remi Moses
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 14785

                              #15
                              Re: Champion Data: Collingwood’s midfield ranked the best in the AFL for 2017, Demons the worst

                              Champion data said we couldn't win the flag either
                              Something about not being in the "premiership quantum"

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