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  • Dry Rot
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6466

    New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

    The Blues delisted or traded out 42 players in 3 seasons.

    See http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-0...e-are-they-now

    Is that a record?

    If you read about each player, how did they get so many wrong?
    The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.
  • Twodogs
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27664

    #2
    Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

    That's a lot of players. It would have to be close to a modern day record churning through a third of your list each year.
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • macca
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2007
      • 2384

      #3
      Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

      Interesting that Gowers was on their list , is this the same Gowers player for footscray ?

      Huge number from WA listed.

      A few potential eker nominations on that list.

      They let a few good payers go as well : gartlett , Waite, Betts being the amazing loss. HAmpson was an ok defender not sure why he became a ruck at richmond .

      We could have pinched Kruezer if only he passed a medical

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27664

        #4
        Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

        Originally posted by macca
        Interesting that Gowers was on their list , is this the same Gowers player for footscray ?

        Huge number from WA listed.

        A few potential eker nominations on that list.

        They let a few good payers go as well : gartlett , Waite, Betts being the amazing loss. HAmpson was an ok defender not sure why he became a ruck at richmond .

        We could have pinched Kruezer if only he passed a medical

        Yep same Billy Gowers.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • Twodogs
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27664

          #5
          Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

          Originally posted by macca
          Interesting that Gowers was on their list , is this the same Gowers player for footscray ?

          Huge number from WA listed.

          A few potential eker nominations on that list.

          They let a few good payers go as well : gartlett , Waite, Betts being the amazing loss. HAmpson was an ok defender not sure why he became a ruck at richmond .

          We could have pinched Kruezer if only he passed a medical
          Josh Kennedy wins Coleman medals for fun at West Coast. Technically he's probably out of the time period for this but it doesn't change the fact he wore Navy Blue.
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            #6
            Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

            Kernahan still cries over the loss of Kennedy, but it was a sacrifice they had to make .
            Betts at the time looked like an overpriced Adelaide recruit, but he’s been better than even they’d imagined.
            Hampson is hopeless, but the Grigg trade was a shocker . There was a story that SOS had just shook his head at the draft at some of their selections .The whole raid GWS theory has been hit or miss ( mainly miss) although fire a thousand bullets , you’re bound to hit something . Malthouse took them backwards at a million miles an hour with his almost vengeful coaching and recruiting .

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            • Twodogs
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 27664

              #7
              Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

              It was Malthouse using Carlton to take his frustration out on Collingwood that was really weird.
              They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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              • Go_Dogs
                Hall of Fame
                • Jan 2007
                • 10209

                #8
                Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                Big list of names made more interesting when you look at the likes of Liam Jones who isn't on it.

                While it's a significant turnover, a new list manager and coach coming into a perennial wooden spooner were always bound to shake things up and leave their imprint.
                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27664

                  #9
                  Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                  Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                  Big list of names made more interesting when you look at the likes of Liam Jones who isn't on it.

                  While it's a significant turnover, a new list manager and coach coming into a perennial wooden spooner were always bound to shake things up and leave their imprint.
                  Bloody good point. I wonder if Carlton could have that moment they signed him for another 3 years (or was it 2? It was a miracle whatever it was) back again if they would take it?

                  I don't know why but I have a certain amount of goodwill towards Liam Jones. Normally I couldn't give a rats arse when a player leaves the colours but Liam's career has a car accident aspect to it in that occasionally slows down and comes into sharp relief.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • macca
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 2384

                    #10
                    Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                    Originally posted by Remi Moses
                    Kernahan still cries over the loss of Kennedy, but it was a sacrifice they had to make .
                    Betts at the time looked like an overpriced Adelaide recruit, but he’s been better than even they’d imagined.
                    Hampson is hopeless, but the Grigg trade was a shocker . There was a story that SOS had just shook his head at the draft at some of their selections .The whole raid GWS theory has been hit or miss ( mainly miss) although fire a thousand bullets , you’re bound to hit something . Malthouse took them backwards at a million miles an hour with his almost vengeful coaching and recruiting .
                    Thats now Grigg, premiership player they let go, cause he could not break into their midfield, beggers belief ???

                    Along similar theme of plays walking out. Houli , could have been BOG according to some, walked out on the drug cheats

                    Malthouse boom recruit in Daisy did not quite worked out either. Thomas is fortunate that the blues are in a rebuilding stage, as they need mature bodies for another year or 2 as the young midfield grows experience

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      #11
                      Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                      As a result of the pick trade last year, the Blues currently trading pick 2, for pick 13. Could be pick 1 if they get well beaten next week.

                      Surely they sack SOS if this gap continues this year.
                      Last edited by bulldogtragic; 05-05-2019, 07:59 PM.
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                      • MrMahatma
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 3974

                        #12
                        Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                        As a result of the pick trade last year, the Blues currently trading pick 2, for pick 13. Could be pick 1 if they get well beaten next week.

                        Surely they sack SOS if this gap continues this year.
                        Looking likely to be a horror deal!

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34289

                          #13
                          Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                          Originally posted by MrMahatma
                          Looking likely to be a horror deal!
                          It’s looking like that margin will hold having a look at things. Liam Stocker (the player the trade was for) is going to need to be a dead set gun long term to remotely even it out. Adelaide will be ecstatic having pick 1 or 2 this year.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • Mofra
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 15060

                            #14
                            Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                            It’s looking like that margin will hold having a look at things. Liam Stocker (the player the trade was for) is going to need to be a dead set gun long term to remotely even it out. Adelaide will be ecstatic having pick 1 or 2 this year.
                            He's an inside mid so they debut him on the HBF and he has a shocker.

                            At one point a year or so ago they played the same number of first round draft picks in their side as GWS.
                            They are horrible at player development.
                            e.g. O'Brien was a lineball selection just ahead of Ed Richards for them. Compare the pair? There is no comparison.

                            I'll stick my neck out now - within 3 years Bailey Smith will be a better player than Sam Walsh. Anyone is free to bump this.
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                            • divvydan
                              WOOF Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1502

                              #15
                              Re: New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

                              If they considered last year's draft's top end to be as strong as most people did and if it's true that they rated Stocker at #6 overall in that draft, then even if it ends up costing them pick 1 or 2 this year for a mid/late first round pick, I still think they did the right thing overall.

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