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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 66096

    Re: MRO Thread

    Seems you are allowed to concuss a player.
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    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7305

      Re: MRO Thread

      Originally posted by bornadog
      Seems you are allowed to concuss a player.
      I don't think you're allowed to 'concuss' a player but it was a marking contest...

      Do I wish Lynch just jumped at the footy? No - but he was not going to mark it...I don't understand the angst. Keath was brave in going back with the flight but to be truthful it also wasn't super clever - HE wasn't going to mark it either. Crozier does this a lot as well - he sticks his head in spots where it is simply going to get knocked off for NO GOOD REASON.

      If your oppo goes. You go. If he doesn't go...you STAY ON HIM (and stay goal side).

      Back to the point at hand - Keath's man was nowhere to be seen. Keath wasn't going to mark the ball - ALL he could achieve was:

      1/. Contacting a vulnerable Lynch and giving away a kick for front on contact.
      2/. Being hit hard by the Lynch/Jones combo coming the other way and knocked out of the game.

      The second one happened which was worst case but pretty clearly foreseeable.

      It would have been best (of course) if Jones had separated Lynch from the ball (and Keath) and allowed Keath the space to float back and take an uncontested mark - but two things got in the way:

      1/. Keath was WAY too high as the kick came in and it was kicked over his head. That is the golden rule of being a spare - don't position yourself where the ball can get kicked over you.
      2/. Jones doesn't defend that way - he sits off/uses his speed/judgement to impact on the contest...all good BUT it does limit his ability to control his oppo and protect the drop zone.

      I'm not a fan of Lynch or Richmond and this incident was a free-kick (high contact) but not a report. It's a MARKING CONTEST. I know everyone is going to quote the duty of care stuff at me but Keath HAD to expect contact in this situation and HAD to protect himself.
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • 1eyedog
        Hall of Fame
        • Mar 2008
        • 13186

        Re: MRO Thread

        Agreed. Keath would have benefitted the team more getting front and centre of that contest and having some trust in Jones. Hard decision to make for an intercept player though.
        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7305

          Re: MRO Thread

          Originally posted by 1eyedog
          Agreed. Keath would have benefitted the team more getting front and centre of that contest and having some trust in Jones. Hard decision to make for an intercept player though.
          I'm all for intercept marks. I would love to know how he was ever going to intercept that though?
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • Rocket Science
            Coaching Staff
            • Oct 2007
            • 4850

            Re: MRO Thread

            It's fascinating.

            If you sped past a ground ball in dispute to concuss an opponent with a shoulder I think we all know what the consequences would be, but do it with an aerial ball and it's kosher.

            Perhaps Naughton should start trying this on chumps who dare block his leading lanes.
            BORDERLINE FLYING

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            • angelopetraglia
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2008
              • 6782

              Re: MRO Thread

              Gary Rohan's strategy to get off at the tribunal tomorrow ...

              Last edited by angelopetraglia; 12-04-2023, 02:03 PM.

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66096

                Re: MRO Thread



                Why isn't Lynch anywhere near the ball?
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                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • angelopetraglia
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 6782

                  Re: MRO Thread

                  Originally posted by bornadog


                  Why isn't Lynch anywhere near the ball?
                  Because he chose to pull out of the marking contest and bump. We were told that if you choose to bump, no matter the reasons and if even accidental, that you are responsible for your actions.

                  However, the AFL play by random rules. The same as the crazy decision to let Cripps off last year. We need to protect the head! We keep allowing players to get concussed by players choosing to bump.

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                  • EasternWest
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 9993

                    Re: MRO Thread

                    Originally posted by mjp
                    I don't think you're allowed to 'concuss' a player but it was a marking contest...

                    Do I wish Lynch just jumped at the footy? No - but he was not going to mark it...I don't understand the angst. Keath was brave in going back with the flight but to be truthful it also wasn't super clever - HE wasn't going to mark it either. Crozier does this a lot as well - he sticks his head in spots where it is simply going to get knocked off for NO GOOD REASON.

                    If your oppo goes. You go. If he doesn't go...you STAY ON HIM (and stay goal side).

                    Back to the point at hand - Keath's man was nowhere to be seen. Keath wasn't going to mark the ball - ALL he could achieve was:

                    1/. Contacting a vulnerable Lynch and giving away a kick for front on contact.
                    2/. Being hit hard by the Lynch/Jones combo coming the other way and knocked out of the game.

                    The second one happened which was worst case but pretty clearly foreseeable.

                    It would have been best (of course) if Jones had separated Lynch from the ball (and Keath) and allowed Keath the space to float back and take an uncontested mark - but two things got in the way:

                    1/. Keath was WAY too high as the kick came in and it was kicked over his head. That is the golden rule of being a spare - don't position yourself where the ball can get kicked over you.
                    2/. Jones doesn't defend that way - he sits off/uses his speed/judgement to impact on the contest...all good BUT it does limit his ability to control his oppo and protect the drop zone.

                    I'm not a fan of Lynch or Richmond and this incident was a free-kick (high contact) but not a report. It's a MARKING CONTEST. I know everyone is going to quote the duty of care stuff at me but Keath HAD to expect contact in this situation and HAD to protect himself.
                    I think this is wrong simply because Lynch wasn't in the marking contest at the point of contact. He changed direction to hit Keath.

                    Whether Keath was in the wrong spot or not is irrelevant.
                    "It's over. It's all over."

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18882

                      Re: MRO Thread

                      Originally posted by EasternWest
                      I think this is wrong simply because Lynch wasn't in the marking contest at the point of contact. He changed direction to hit Keath.

                      Whether Keath was in the wrong spot or not is irrelevant.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • Grantysghost
                        Bouncing Strong
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 18882

                        Re: MRO Thread

                        Originally posted by bornadog


                        Why isn't Lynch anywhere near the ball?
                        Why is Keath even there? It's the danger zone and he stuck his head into it.
                        BT COME BACK!​

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18882

                          Re: MRO Thread

                          You all want goals and the game to flow etc however when one of our defenders decides to mindlessly sag into the path of probably the one forward who actually stands up for the forwards club everyone cracks it.

                          Free the forwards!
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18882

                            Re: MRO Thread

                            Originally posted by EasternWest
                            I think this is wrong simply because Lynch wasn't in the marking contest at the point of contact. He changed direction to hit Keath.

                            Whether Keath was in the wrong spot or not is irrelevant.
                            What about 1 second before the point of contact.

                            Watch it in real time.
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • EasternWest
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 9993

                              Re: MRO Thread

                              Originally posted by Grantysghost
                              Watch it in real time.
                              Oh wow why haven't I thought of that yet.
                              "It's over. It's all over."

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                              • jeemak
                                Bulldog Legend
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 21577

                                Re: MRO Thread

                                Originally posted by EasternWest
                                Oh wow why haven't I thought of that yet.
                                You're an idiot watching it in slo-mo all the time.
                                TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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