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  • Missing-Dog
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 3102

    #61
    Re: Players you don't rate

    Originally posted by ratsmac
    Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti. This could be harsh because he is still a young man but the way the media has jumped on him you'd think he was better than Eddie Betts. He constantly gets caught trying to do too much and he's a terrible kick.

    While I'm kicking the Bumbers, Mark Baguley. For a defender he makes a lot of mistakes which result in goals. How he gets a game every week in an AFL side is staggering.
    State League Player at best.

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    • 1eyedog
      Hall of Fame
      • Mar 2008
      • 13313

      #62
      Re: Players you don't rate

      Like Bevo I don't rate tap ruckmen. I don't think the Goldstein's or Jacobs' of this world do enough around the ground to be considered elite footballers. Nic Nat is effective around the ground, Scotty Wynd was.

      Hit out stats are grey yet inflate SC and DT numbers.
      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 67340

        #63
        Re: Players you don't rate

        Originally posted by 1eyedog
        Like Bevo I don't rate tap ruckmen. I don't think the Goldstein's or Jacobs' of this world do enough around the ground to be considered elite footballers. Nic Nat is effective around the ground, Scotty Wynd was.

        Hit out stats are grey yet inflate SC and DT numbers.
        Jacobs 5 disposals on Friday, 54 hitouts
        Last edited by Bornadog; 22-05-2018, 02:36 PM. Reason: correct number
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        • Twodogs
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 27666

          #64
          Re: Players you don't rate

          Originally posted by bornadog
          Jacobs 5 disposals on Friday, 40 hitouts
          That's Peter Street territory.
          They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15524

            #65
            Re: Players you don't rate

            Originally posted by bornadog
            Jacobs 5 disposals on Friday, 40 hitouts
            How many effective HO's?

            In a territory game I thought his ability to palm the ball to his mids was pretty important... the fact that our rucks allowed him to get front position at boundary throw-ins was an important factor too.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67340

              #66
              Re: Players you don't rate

              Originally posted by Mantis
              How many effective HO's?

              In a territory game I thought his ability to palm the ball to his mids was pretty important... the fact that our rucks allowed him to get front position at boundary throw-ins was an important factor too.
              Is it worth having a ruckman just for hitouts, or do you want someone that can contribute around the ground?

              PS: His actual hitouts were 54, my mistake.
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • Twodogs
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 27666

                #67
                Re: Players you don't rate

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Is it worth having a ruckman just for hitouts, or do you want someone that can contribute around the ground?

                PS: His actual hitouts were 54, my mistake.
                Did he have 40 to advantage?
                They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 67340

                  #68
                  Re: Players you don't rate

                  Originally posted by Twodogs
                  Did he have 40 to advantage?
                  No my mistake, the 40 hitouts was to 3/4 time. He had 54 in total not sure to advantage, I need to check
                  FFC: Established 1883

                  Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 67340

                    #69
                    Re: Players you don't rate

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    No my mistake, the 40 hitouts was to 3/4 time. He had 54 in total not sure to advantage, I need to check
                    ok, just checked the stats. Jacobs 54 hitouts and 9 to advantage. Boyd 23, and 2, Roughead 17 and 2

                    I would have thought from 54, 9 is not brilliant
                    FFC: Established 1883

                    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                    • Axe Man
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 11320

                      #70
                      Re: Players you don't rate

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      ok, just checked the stats. Jacobs 54 hitouts and 9 to advantage. Boyd 23, and 2, Roughead 17 and 2

                      I would have thought from 54, 9 is not brilliant
                      You are correct. That's a hit out to advantage rate of 16.7%, his season average is 23.2%. Maybe down due to the conditions. Still a better rate than our ruckmen though.

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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13313

                        #71
                        Re: Players you don't rate

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        How many effective HO's?

                        In a territory game I thought his ability to palm the ball to his mids was pretty important... the fact that our rucks allowed him to get front position at boundary throw-ins was an important factor too.
                        Effective hit outs are counted when your team gets first hands on the ball. It is still counted as effective even if you are tackled immediately forcing another bounce. You can load up on this stat without having the slightest influence on a game. All the best ruckmen dominate around the ground. Grundy is a burgeoning example. Jacobs is crap.
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • Happy Days
                          Hall of Fame
                          • May 2008
                          • 10205

                          #72
                          Re: Players you don't rate

                          Originally posted by 1eyedog
                          Effective hit outs are counted when your team gets first hands on the ball. It is still counted as effective even if you are tackled immediately forcing another bounce. You can load up on this stat without having the slightest influence on a game. All the best ruckmen dominate around the ground. Grundy is a burgeoning example. Jacobs is crap.
                          Hey how about a thread for players you do rate? Grundy is amazing, he has the best skills from a ruckman going and is just brutal in contested situations. Can't wait for him to mess us up on Friday.
                          - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 67340

                            #73
                            Re: Players you don't rate

                            Originally posted by Happy Days
                            Hey how about a thread for players you do rate? Grundy is amazing, he has the best skills from a ruckman going and is just brutal in contested situations. Can't wait for him to mess us up on Friday.
                            The one thing the umpires let him get away with is wrapping his arms around the opposition ruck at the boundary throw ins. I really detest that. Just watch him on Friday.
                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • jazzadogs
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 5729

                              #74
                              Re: Players you don't rate

                              Jack Darling was at the top of this list for me going into this season, but he's proved me wrong thus far. Taking contested marks, kicking goals and setting them up too. No longer squibbing the overhead ball!

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                              • Twodogs
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 27666

                                #75
                                Re: Players you don't rate

                                Originally posted by jazzadogs
                                Jack Darling was at the top of this list for me going into this season, but he's proved me wrong thus far. Taking contested marks, kicking goals and setting them up too. No longer squibbing the overhead ball!
                                And he's faced up to terrifying dilemma that playing on the same ground as Josh Dunkley poses him for whatever reason.

                                Oh how we laughed.
                                They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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